Ireland IRELAND 2024 - Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Lance Esgard]

No, sorry, you’re wrong. A witch has always been exclusivly female. It‘s a female archetype. (Look it up at C.G. Jung or any relevant research about litterary iconography). Just saying it isn‘t, is no argument. Male performers of witchcraft are called differently (sorcerer, wizzard, even witcher - clearly marked with the male r-morpheme to differenciate) and the forms of witchcraft performed by males also differ largely from the traditional female forms.
Prove me wrong on this, but I doubt you can.

There IS no way out of the dilemma Bambie created here.

It looks like my awareness of Sammy's earlier post has come too late for this reply to be helpful given recent postings, but nonetheless in Neopagan traditions, detached to the other historical usage of the word 'witch,' there is considerable evidence it has been used to apply to males.

There are direct quotes to this end that can be found by looking at the Wikipedia article for 'Neopagan Witchcraft' . For example, the male Roy Bowers declared, "I am a witch descended from a family of witches." Wiccans have used definitions of witchcraft contrary and separate to the historical and anthropological understandings that Sammy is familiar with and has noted. It is possible that Bambie Thug has been influenced by such Wiccan understandings as opposed to other ones.

But outside of this context, 'witch' has not been exclusively female (though this has been virtually true at various times and places and has been actively asserted as such in some contents, i.e. Ancient Rome). There is a relatively famous example: J.R.R. Tolkien has the character of the Witch-king of Angmar, who is male (and is not simply a ruler of female witches). This choice is likely connected to The Saga of Hromund Gripsson, a legendary Norse saga that features as an antagonist the undead witch-king Þráinn, who again, is not a ruler of witches but a masterful wielder of magic. (Such examples may have helped inform Neopagan redefinitions).

One final note is that if anyone has been thinking, 'what about witch doctors? Aren't they male?' They are different in that the term referred to them being doctors one goes to in response to the work of witchcraft and so etymologically isn't necessarily referring to male witches...but in contemporary societies where witch doctors still exist or are referred to in anthropological context the etymological distinction may well not be something they are aware of and so witch doctors may be thought of as male witches.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Just for the sake that they would take away the crown from Sweden again just one year after being dethroned and all the WTF-iy that would go along with its happening I want that to happen now (imagine the Ireland of nowaways Late Late Late Late show hosting LOL).

Eurovision 2025 just gets incorporated into an extra long Late Late Show special.

 

[MopManMoss]

Eurovision 2025 just gets incorporated into an extra long Late Late Show special.

Jury replaced by a panel that just compares you to random vocalists that are much much better than you (except this year that panel were bizarrely ruthless)

 

[Zeus]

So we have:

- Pro-palestine people
- Satanic/emo people
- Harry Potter fans
- Non-binary/trans people
- People who hate religious right wing conservatives whining about this
- Horror movie fans
- Witches

Such a hot mix of potential voter groups.

 

[Gordon_Shumway]

Witches? Seriously? Is this the 21st century? I'm asking for a friend...

 

[Fluke]

So we have:

- Pro-palestine people
- Satanic/emo people
- Harry Potter fans
- Non-binary/trans people
- People who hate religious right wing conservatives whining about this
- Horror movie fans
- Witches

Such a hot mix of potential voter groups.

Don't forget anyone who wants extreme/alternative music genres in Eurovision, whether they actually like the song or not.

 

[EscGeek]

Eurovision 2025 just gets incorporated into an extra long Late Late Show special.

 

[MopManMoss]

So we have:

- Pro-palestine people
- Satanic/emo people
- Harry Potter fans
- Non-binary/trans people
- People who hate religious right wing conservatives whining about this
- Horror movie fans
- Witches

Such a hot mix of potential voter groups.

I'm not sure I fit into any of those

 

[Leydan]

I'm not sure I fit into any of those

Didn't you once create an account on NRK that was a gender neutral person called Clog? I'm sure you could fit that into the list somehow

 

[MopManMoss]

Didn't you once create an account on NRK that was a gender neutral person called Clog? I'm sure you could fit that into the list somehow

YOU REMEMBERED CLOG VANBICYCLEN YOU ARE INCREDIBLE

 

[Leydan]

YOU REMEMBERED CLOG VANBICYCLEN YOU ARE INCREDIBLE

How could anyone possibly forget an icon like Clog.

 

[iowacorn]

So who's ready to crown the witch tomorrow?

 

[marty]

I think that Ireland is a potential winner in this quite open race this year. But it will be difficult to beat Israel in the televote.

 

[ViVillRejv]

I was all about Queen Kaleen this year but all the SCANDAL and OUTRAGE from pearl-clutching close-minded people over Bambie Thug makes me wanna crown the witch tomorrow... Seriously considering voting only for this.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Slot 10, not terrible. I can live with it.

 

[DutchESC]

Please Europe, let’s make this masterpiece win. ❤

 

[94ayd]

Please Europe, let’s make this masterpiece win. ❤

The title certainly fits the mood this Eurovision is creating...

 

[Sabrewulf238]

The title certainly fits the mood this Eurovision is creating...

Me after Saturday potentially: "Blue blue blue blue bluuue blue blue blue bluuue blue blue..."

 

[Biste]

Let's just save us from all the drama and CROWN THE WITCH

 

[Chorizo]

I don‘t think that trying to understand something excludes being respectful.

You would be a wizard or a sorcerer if you practice witchcraft. A witch is genuinly female.

I could also understand if Bambie said: I‘m a sorcerer because I identify as such. Or: I‘m non binary, but my stage persona is a woman.
But what puzzles me is that they - as far as I‘m aware of - identifies as two opposite concepts at the same time and that is just not possible. Thay are not Schrödingers cat.

And that is not trivial because if I call Bambie „they“, then I‘m denying their self proclaimed witchness - thus misgendering them.

If I accept her „witchness“ and call her „she“, I’m misgendering her again, because I would leave out her non-binary being.

You see? Even within the logic of Non-conformative genderroles there still HAS to be logic. Otherwise I cant talk about this person at all, even if I want to.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is scream. Hence: the screaming witch...