Ireland IRELAND 2024 - Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[HarryUK]

I am all in favour of Eurovision returning to the Emerald isle but for the love of god please not Dublin. I go away to escape London and our rip off prices thanks

 

[soulm8]

She was for sure top 2 yesterday. Everyone is talking about her and The Croatian lasagna ! Love it!

 

[MAD20]

What an incredible performance, probably one of the best of the night. Super deserved qualification and brilliant work from the Irish delegation. Hope they keep up with this trend cause if so, another victory could even be on the way in the near future. Congratulations Ireland!!

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

We're first half - I hope we get a slot between 11 and 13.

 

[Cathan]

We're first half - I hope we get a slot between 11 and 13.

It's the sort of entry that will do what it's going to do regardless of its running order as its just so different and memorable. Just a shame we can get a 2nd half draw for a change.

The draw will depend on tomorrow as if Switzerland/Netherlands draw 1H Ireland might face competition for the best slot in the 1H!

 

[Sammy]

This is not a provocative question, and not intended to be offensive or anything, but I REALLY dont get this:

How can someone say about themself I‘m a witch (and Bambie says this regarding her own identity, not just the stage persona), a witch, who is clearly and without any doubt a female figure and has always been female to the point that it became an female archetype for a whole feminist movement, and at the same time also say about themself: I‘m non-binary?!
you can‘t be and at the same time not be something. That‘s completely illogical. I would get it if they defined themself as genderfluid but that’s not the case.

I get Nemo‘s non-binary being themself, but with Bambie I‘m honestly lost.

 

[MopManMoss]

This is not a provocative question, and not intended to be offensive or anything, but I REALLY dont get this:

How can someone say about themself I‘m a witch (and Bambie says this regarding her own identity, not just the stage persona), a witch, who is clearly and without any doubt a female figure and has always been female to the point that it became an female archetype for a whole feminist movement, and at the same time also say about themself: I‘m non-binary?!
you can‘t be and at the same time not be something. That‘s completely illogical. I would get it if they defined themself as genderfluid but that’s not the case.

I get Nemo‘s non-binary being themself, but with Bambie I‘m honestly lost.

Look I don't really get non binary myself I respect what these individuals claim they are and use their pronouns just because that's the polite thing to do

However I think you're just looking into something that's just not there? If a man does goth magic it doesn't become wizardcraft all of a sudden

Bambie is a witch, hell I can be a witch and I'm a dull straight man

 

[Milos-BC]

Among the best ones last night. Not a fan of the song (still) but the staging is out of this world.

Without a doubt, deserves a top 10 in the final and it will be there.

 

[Sean]

I am all in favour of Eurovision returning to the Emerald isle but for the love of god please not Dublin. I go away to escape London and our rip off prices thanks

I don't think there's a city other than Dublin that could meet the demands of a modern Eurovision?

 

[Sammy]

Look I don't really get non binary myself I respect what these individuals claim they are and use their pronouns just because that's the polite thing to do

However I think you're just looking into something that's just not there? If a man does goth magic it doesn't become wizardcraft all of a sudden

Bambie is a witch, hell I can be a witch and I'm a dull straight man

I don‘t think that trying to understand something excludes being respectful.

You would be a wizard or a sorcerer if you practice witchcraft. A witch is genuinly female.

I could also understand if Bambie said: I‘m a sorcerer because I identify as such. Or: I‘m non binary, but my stage persona is a woman.
But what puzzles me is that they - as far as I‘m aware of - identifies as two opposite concepts at the same time and that is just not possible. Thay are not Schrödingers cat.

And that is not trivial because if I call Bambie „they“, then I‘m denying their self proclaimed witchness - thus misgendering them.

If I accept her „witchness“ and call her „she“, I’m misgendering her again, because I would leave out her non-binary being.

You see? Even within the logic of Non-conformative genderroles there still HAS to be logic. Otherwise I cant talk about this person at all, even if I want to.

 

[MopManMoss]

I don't think there's a city other than Dublin that could meet the demands of a modern Eurovision?

We are going back to millstreet lads, osterdahl can stay at home

I don‘t think that trying to understand something excludes being respectful.

You would be a wizard or a sorcerer if you practice witchcraft. A witch is genuinly female.

I could also understand if Bambie said: I‘m a sorcerer because I identify as such. Or: I‘m non binary, but my stage persona is a woman.
But what puzzles me is that they - as far as I‘m aware of - identifies as two opposite concepts at the same time and that is just not possible. Thay are not Schrödingers cat.

And that is not trivial because if I call Bambie „they“, then I‘m denying their self proclaimed witchness - thus misgendering them.

If I accept her „witchness“ and call her „she“, I’m misgendering her again, because I would leave out her non-binary being.

You see? Even within the logic of Non-conformative genderroles there still HAS to be logic. Otherwise I cant talk about this person at all, even if I want to.

A witch is just someone that practices witchcraft (malicious or hostile magic) yes the stereotype and general perception of witches is overwhelmingly female but it's not exclusively a thing for women nor is it especially feminine in any way

 

[Sammy]

A witch is just someone that practices witchcraft (malicious or hostile magic) yes the stereotype and general perception of witches is overwhelmingly female but it's not exclusively a thing for women nor is it especially feminine in any way

No, sorry, you’re wrong. A witch has always been exclusivly female. It‘s a female archetype. (Look it up at C.G. Jung or any relevant research about litterary iconography). Just saying it isn‘t, is no argument. Male performers of witchcraft are called differently (sorcerer, wizzard, even witcher - clearly marked with the male r-morpheme to differenciate) and the forms of witchcraft performed by males also differ largely from the traditional female forms.
Prove me wrong on this, but I doubt you can.

There IS no way out of the dilemma Bambie created here.

 

[Paco Roca]

I'm not joking, with Bambie I feel the winning vibes. I prefer her to Baby Lasagna. If Ireland won in Sweden it would be an immense pleasure

In two years we will see the Melodifestivalen once again made up of 9000 acts with a winner already decided (perhaps a past winner or Cornelia) and a giant blender that will upset the running order.

#IrelandtruequeenofESC

 

[Sammy]

#IrelandtruequeenofESC

same thing: how can a non -binary person be a queen? Thanks for proving my point!!

 

[Mainshow]

I don't think there's a city other than Dublin that could meet the demands of a modern Eurovision?

Bel *cough* fast could...

 

[Mainshow]

same thing: how can a non -binary person be a queen? Thanks for proving my point!!

Gay men can be queens, too though but yeah semantically, a queen and a witch are undoubtedly female connoted.

It wouldn't make sense to call Nemo "King of Eurovision" if they win on Saturday whilst using their chosen pronouns.

I just believe that non-binary can be fluid. Maybe that's why Bambje Thug can easily be both: non-binary an a witch.

 

[Mainshow]

same thing: how can a non -binary person be a queen? Thanks for proving my point!!

Gay men can be queens, too though but yeah semantically, a queen and a witch are undoubtedly female connoted.

It wouldn't make sense to call Nemo "King of Eurovision" if they win on Saturday whilst using their chosen pronouns.

I just believe that non-binary can be fluid. Maybe that's why Bambje Thug can easily be both: non-binary an a witch.

 

[gigi_copp3]

We could use something like "monarch" for Bambie and Nemo

 

[Paco Roca]

We could use something like "monarch" for Bambie and Nemo

Or tyrant and then we will leave with him on board the Nautilus 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

 

[Sammy]

Gay men can be queens, too though but yeah semantically, a queen and a witch are undoubtedly female connoted.

It wouldn't make sense to call Nemo "King of Eurovision" if they win on Saturday whilst using their chosen pronouns.

I just believe that non-binary can be fluid. Maybe that's why Bambje Thug can easily be both: non-binary an a witch.

sorry, doesn‘t convince me.
if a gay man is a queen, he plays with binarity, thus accepts that comcept for his gender role and just switches. If you identify as non binary, you cant introduce a binary notion to play with, because you would contradict yourself.
that‘s what I initially: there wouldn‘t be a problem if Bambie would identify as genderfluid. Bit that‘s not the case. non-binary and genderfluid are not the same. If they were, there wouldn‘t be two words created.

You see my point? Life would be soooooo much easier if we would not create this gazillion of labels. What‘s wrong with saying: I‘m a man / woman but my masculinity / femininity is not stereotypical.

btw that worked pretty well for decades.