Ireland IRELAND 2024 - Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Uto]

The performance was of course very well done and had me interested, but there is also a problem as the song is just not up to snuff and the staging kind of highlights that fact. This is no Hatari where the balls to the wall wtfism is underpinned by something that can also stand alone. Great to see it make the final, but I don't see myself voting for this.

And on the demonic imagery etc etc: you need to convince people to vote for you. The intended audience is not these cultists, they wouldn't vote for it anyway.

 

[PlasticToad]

Or doesn‘t it affect the trans cause in the same way as the gay community in Ollies case? And if so why do you think that?

Honestly given the amount I see Bambie referred to with the wrong pronouns, I expect it's because people don't know/understand that they're non-binary, or worse see it as some kind of joke. I'm sure that there will be certain sections of the British media especially that might kick off about it, but in some other parts of Europe the concept of being non-binary is essentially nonexistent to the general public.

 

[Sammy]

Honestly given the amount I see Bambie referred to with the wrong pronouns, I expect it's because people don't know/understand that they're non-binary, or worse see it as some kind of joke. I'm sure that there will be certain sections of the British media especially that might kick off about it, but in some other parts of Europe the concept of being non-binary is essentially nonexistent to the general public.

So you‘re basically saying linking the non-binary community to satanism is no problem because people dont even know they‘re existing despite the fact the act was repeatedly labeled as such? Did I understand you correctly?

 

[BorisBubbles]

Satanism lmao. Rightwingers are so funny. Who's going to tell them that God and Satan do not exist?

It Is Art. Don't overthink it.

In that sense, because it's more Art than Song, Ireland won't be getting their eighth victory on Saturday. It doesn't matter - they made the Grand Final, and they fully deserved it. Bambie is a Hatari-style enfant terrible - I wouldn't be too shocked if they clocked in at a respectable 10th-12th place based on a beefy televote and a nonexistent jury vote.

Also, Bambie has kind of become the voice of the Pro-Palestine movement over the past few weeks, and the past few days only intensified it. Expect a good amount of votes from that camp, as well.

 

[PlasticToad]

So you‘re basically saying linking the non-binary community to satanism is no problem because people dont even know they‘re existing despite the fact the act was repeatedly labeled as such? Did I understand you correctly?

You didn't understand me correctly, no. I don't think it's an issue because as BorisBubbles says, this is a performance, it's art. Tomorrow we will see another non-binary performer who isn't "Satanic" at all (unless you think pink legwarmers are the work of the devil). My point was more that people can't link a community to satanism when they don't even recognise that community exists.

Perhaps some might think Croatia is problematic as they think it suggests Croatians are all country bumpkins. They would be wrong, but people are free to think what they like. Whether it's what the artist intended or not, who knows?

 

[Looren]

I don't like the song but that staging and performance were exceptionnal, good job Ireland

 

[Ewigkeit]

I've seen plenty a "My mother/father watched this and hated it" post on the semi performance's YouTube page, posters calling it "demonic" and "Satanism" etc already... And then there's the jury members from conservative places like, say, Croatia (or maybe most of Eastern Europe) who won't rate this highly.

Edit: And there's also Azerbaijan (Islam).

Azerbaijan is a secular country and they pretty much don’t give an f-word about religion. They might have or might have not found this performance a bit extreme, but I don’t think Islam has any role in it.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Maybe the jury will reward it highly, it was a top quality performance. I don't think many jury members would be repulsed by the imagery. Europe isn't as religiously conservative anymore

 

[BorisBubbles]

Azerbaijan is a secular country and they pretty much don’t give an f-word about religion. They might have or might have not found this performance a bit extreme, but I don’t think Islam has any role in it.

Azerbaijan is significantly more secular than most ESC countries, yeah.

One could argue that the irreverence, rather than the "satanism", is more offensive to viewers. And ofc the fact that half of the song's vocals can be objectively described as "someone shrieking all the gas and fluid out of their alveoli" My dad HATED the song and the vocals but also said he could understand its value and appeal as a piece of theatre or performance art, just not musically.

 

[MopManMoss]

Ireland bound to the first half forever it seems :/

Why are we always so miserable? The second time we qualify in ten years and you're moaning about the half we are in??

 

[BorisBubbles]

Oh please it's not the First Half draw that will ruin Bambie's r/o. It'll be the fact that they're too much of a loose cannon for the EBU. Kind of how Hatari were drawfucked twice despite being a clear televote magnet who should have been put on late.

 

[Quent91]

This is disgusting. This "song" doesn't belong to the ESC, a familial and popular musical show.

She is promoting satanism and she should go to a therapy.

EBU shouldn't allow anything like that to compete.

(btw I thought Ireland's flag was green white and orange).

 

[b4ld3r]

Considering how much they've complained about Saade displaying his personal heritage, it's odd that the EBU are letting Bambie keep their key fingernails. Must be because there's plausible deniability I suppose

 

[shameless]

Since it release this has to be my biggest grower. The staging is spectacular and if it wasn't for the juries I would think this could easily crack the top 5. I love that anarchy-mentality they're showing of, reminding me a bit of Nina Hagen. Now if they would only make a lot of their statements not only about me-me-me, that would even be better.

 

[Gera11]

The biggest glow up I've seen in ages. The song is absolute trash but the staging elevates it to an epic level. It was THE moment of the semi-final. Ireland pulled a Moldova this year when Moldova couldn't. Bless.

 

[PeterLPZ]

Horrible...

 

[Loindici]

This is disgusting. This "song" doesn't belong to the ESC, a familial and popular musical show.

She is promoting satanism and she should go to a therapy.

EBU shouldn't allow anything like that to compete.

(btw I thought Ireland's flag was green white and orange).

Girl, even God could not save Ana Soklič in 2021.

 

[Sammy]

You didn't understand me correctly, no. I don't think it's an issue because as BorisBubbles says, this is a performance, it's art. Tomorrow we will see another non-binary performer who isn't "Satanic" at all (unless you think pink legwarmers are the work of the devil). My point was more that people can't link a community to satanism when they don't even recognise that community exists.

Perhaps some might think Croatia is problematic as they think it suggests Croatians are all country bumpkins. They would be wrong, but people are free to think what they like. Whether it's what the artist intended or not, who knows?

do you have an explanation then, why some people - not necessarily you - had a problem with Olly? All you said does apply to him also, doesn‘t it?

 

[spinachpie]

This is disgusting. This "song" doesn't belong to the ESC, a familial and popular musical show.

She is promoting satanism and she should go to a therapy.

EBU shouldn't allow anything like that to compete.

(btw I thought Ireland's flag was green white and orange).

Satanism isn't a real thing, you know that, right? It's make believe... like Halloween or horror movies

 

[Datura]

this is easily the most talked about act of yesterdays semifinal, i'm delighted for bambie. it doesn't make the song any more pleasant (which i think will prevent it from winning in the end) but it's amazing how well the performance is received - and rightfully so! best staging of the year.
say what u want about the theme (i get that it's not for everybody) but the delivery, the storytelling, the camera angles are amazing! prime example that it's not just enough to put some props or gimmick on stage and just let them exist there, the way bambie plays with the circle of candles, the costume change that happens so damn quick, the "demonic" choreo and interaction with the dancer, the "crown the witch" ending - everything here is executed perfectly imo

whatever happens i hope ireland remembers what their acts are capable of if u don't put them in the most anticlimatic studio with the worst sound like in the horrible preselection they put them through.

i didnt get the great betting odds before, i thought it could maybe scratch the top 10 but now i think the top 5 odds are totally deserved