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Ireland IRELAND 2024 - Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue
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So happy this made it. This really shows even quite "extreme" alternative music can have a place in the ESC. I'm thinking the controversy will be lost to the UK though, ironically neighbor countries 
Some parts seemed a little static, but maybe any more events would have been too much for many viewers to follow. And the vocals were way too quiet, this was a problem with a lot of entries today, but this was the worst of all. Maybe they had it turned down so her screaming wouldn't be too loud, but she was almost inaudible at times, and the lyrics very hard to make out.
Also, anyone notice a strange "theme" of masked dancers, and the moon on the background, this year? This was the only entry to have both, so far, but there were plenty of the former especially.
Some parts seemed a little static, but maybe any more events would have been too much for many viewers to follow. And the vocals were way too quiet, this was a problem with a lot of entries today, but this was the worst of all. Maybe they had it turned down so her screaming wouldn't be too loud, but she was almost inaudible at times, and the lyrics very hard to make out.
Also, anyone notice a strange "theme" of masked dancers, and the moon on the background, this year? This was the only entry to have both, so far, but there were plenty of the former especially.
Finally a parent figure who loves Ireland!
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Bambie at the qualifiers press is awfully CRINGE.
“What makes you special?”
“I’m queer”
“What makes you special?”
“I’m queer”
Poland has both the moon and the masked dancers, though. Mr. Demon here was just wearing theatrical makeup.
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yeah, that felt kinda forced. But I mean, it was also a very stupid question.
On a different note the political "speech" and gesture was out of place imo. I know there will be people who will praise that, but honestly, it was very one-sided and shallow so it doesn't help the cause. I'm wondering if EBU will react to this in any way.
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slatka
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I enjoyed the song and the performance, initially I really disliked it but it definitely grew on me. However, Bambie's whole persona seems extremely put on and fake from the "queerness" to the "activism". Everything seems extremely performative.
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I mean that's pretty much a Gaga or Bowie style answer to such a question, so no judgement from me.
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Which is perfectly in accordance to gender theory, where gender IS in fact seen as a contstruct that you have to perform to bring to reality. But that's an academic discussion. I totally get what you mean.
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Is it when someone from Aftonblade asked about the reason behind the Ogham writings "ceasefire" and "freedom for Palestine"?
Bambie responded:
"It was very important to me because I am pro-justice and pro-peace. Unfortunately, I have to change those message today to "crown the witch' only, in order from the EBU".
I mean, EBU would get backlash if they react even more negatively to that.
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I was just thinking - it IS a political statement, which is not allowed, (especially what she said after your quote and the gesture she made) right? Or is that rule only applicable on stage or in parts that are broadcasted on TV? I'm not quite sure.
EBU weren't always consistent about this, because if you think about it even showing your gender performance or wearing trans flags could be seen as a political statement. If you think further, even allowing Ukraine or Israel in the competition is a strong war-sided political statement from the EBU. I don't know if EBU has actual SOPs or working instruction about this as well. It's just EBU supporting what values they want to support, I guess, no matter whether it's on broadcast or off-stage.
And to be fair, the use of Ogham here I'd consider quite niche and discreet since it might not be directly decipherable outside of Ireland. But even this is getting filtered by EBU.
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RTE really doesn't care about winning, can someone explain here? If she just toned it down in everything, even a little, she'd win this easily. Is RTE normally this free-flowing in allowing their creative directors doing (....)-all?
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I cringed even more when she screamed “I’m a witch!!!”. So embarrassing. Not long till she falls into obscurity with Wild Youth and the Maps woman.
Seems you need some chill potion from the witch eh?
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Sounds gross
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Well, maybe more people need a chill potion as all these cute ballads and spice girls songs didn't qualify and this did for Ireland, so perhaps RTE is sending a MtF girl next taking inspiration from Windows95man.
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I fail to see why their response would be cringe.
First, the question was cringe-worthy in the first place. They took the question with a sense of humour which came across very likable, in my opinion. They just pointed at themselves and then clarified it. What else should someone say when asked the same question? "No, I'm not special. I'm like everyone else"?
Second, apart from practicing witchcraft (or whatever that hobby is called), the character of their performance is a witch. Bambie Thug basically summoned a demon on stage.
It was a refreshing, honest answer and totally in character.
They brought Ireland back to the finals after Ryan 2018.
I'd even argue they're the most remarkable Irish Eurovision act since Jedward.
Ordinary Eurovision viewers will probably have forgotten their name by the end of this week but their performance will last... that's more what 90% Eurovision acts can dream of.
First, the question was cringe-worthy in the first place. They took the question with a sense of humour which came across very likable, in my opinion. They just pointed at themselves and then clarified it. What else should someone say when asked the same question? "No, I'm not special. I'm like everyone else"?
Second, apart from practicing witchcraft (or whatever that hobby is called), the character of their performance is a witch. Bambie Thug basically summoned a demon on stage.
It was a refreshing, honest answer and totally in character.
They brought Ireland back to the finals after Ryan 2018.
I'd even argue they're the most remarkable Irish Eurovision act since Jedward.
Ordinary Eurovision viewers will probably have forgotten their name by the end of this week but their performance will last... that's more what 90% Eurovision acts can dream of.
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That would be lovely, thanks for the idea!Well, maybe more people need a chill potion as all these cute ballads and spice girls songs didn't qualify and this did for Ireland, so perhaps RTE is sending a MtF girl next taking inspiration from Windows95man.
(Despite all the joking, knowing RTE I think they're more likely to resort on the nursing home ballads again next year, trust RTE
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