No Juries anymore ONLY TELEVOTING!

[A-lister]

Call it whatever you like, that is why I completely disapprove of televoting. I'm not saying jury voting isn't flawed but televoting is just too predictable and it was getting tiring year after year the same countries getting points from some countries.

Look at the televoting results of lately, I beg to differ. The televoters are not at all as predictable any more and far more opend minded musically that juries.

 

[GWTW1939]

Jury
1. Central (Austria)
2. Scandinavian (Sweden)
3. Western (Netherlands)
4. Central (Hungary)
5. Balkan (Armenia)
6. Western (Malta - 24th televote)
7. Scandinavian (Finland - 17th televote)
8. Eastern (Azerbaijan - 22nd televote)
9. Scandinavian (Norway - 16th televote)
10. Scandinavian (Denmark - 13th televote)

4 Scandinavian, 2 Western, 2 Central, 1 Balkan, 1 Eastern

Televote
1. Central (Austria)
2. Western (Netherlands)
3. Balkan (Armenia)
4. Scandinavian (Sweden)
5. Central (Poland - 23rd jury)
6. Eastern (Russia - 13th jury)
7 Western (Switzerland - 22nd jury)
8. Eastern (Ukraine - 12th jury)
9. Balkan (Romania - 17th jury)
10. Central (Hungary)

3 Central, 2 Western, 2 Eastern, 2 Balkan, 1 Scandinavian

Televote looks a bit more even to me ......also jury sure love those Scandinavians

 

[IncognitoGH]

What is there to trust really? Blatantly screwing a country over and manipulating votes because they dislike the country and loath everything local and different?

No, they didn't like the song, it wasn't just a few juries, it was a lot. The polish song was tasteless, especially for music professionals.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

A-lister you are only mad because the juries disliked Poland

 

[Terence]

Look at the televoting results of lately, I beg to differ. The televoters are not at all as predictable any more and far more opend minded musically that juries.

They may be yes, apart from the obvious diaspora and that seems to make up for a huge percentage somehow!

 

[A-lister]

A-lister you are only mad because the juries disliked Poland

No, my loath for the juries have been since they came back in 2009. They repeat themselves each year, but now when they were given even more powers by the EBU to really make or break it for an entry, it's even more disturbing.

 

[Milos-BC]

I also think the juries should be removed. The number of good things is minimal compared to the number of bad things they brought. Not to mention that some of their criteria are controversial and that their votes are easily manipulated/abused. So yes, I definetly want them removed.

 

[Romeo]

100% televoting brought too many issues when it was in place. Most people agreed that the Juries needed to return.

There will always be an issue with whatever system is used. So I say keep it 50/50

Some countries are always at an advantage with televotes so it is not fair

 

[A-lister]

100% televoting brought too many issues when it was in place. Most people agreed that the Juries needed to return.

There will always be an issue with whatever system is used. So I say keep it 50/50

Some countries are always at an advantage with televotes so it is not fair

I think there are far more issued with a small portion of so called "experts" that have more powers and are more biased than televoters and calculated destroy chances for entries and destroy the European diversity

If they are to keep the juries, atleast they should go back to the previous top. 10 ranking rather than the current ranking system which is 100% flawed.

 

[adelaida]

I would like only one international jury + televoting
They can be from non-European countries or European countries who don't compete. ( but not 5 people, at least 10)
Or one specialist from each country that competes.

40 juries or more is really too much.

 

[dragvision]

Mei in the italian televote is located at 9 spot

 

[Romeo]

I think there are far more issued with a small portion of so called "experts" that have more powers and are more biased than televoters and calculated destroy chances for entries and destroy the European diversity

If they are to keep the juries, atleast they should go back to the previous top. 10 ranking rather than the current ranking system which is 100% flawed.

I agree.. The old jury system was so much better
They introduced the new way to have more transparency but it just made it too complicated..

They should keep it 50/50 but the juries should vote 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12

 

[tuorem]

I think I should be part of the jury. I would do a better job.

 

[adelaida]

I'm not against jury+televote but I prefer the old system. This new system is imoral. I really don't like the fact that a song that win televote can receive zero points because of the jury or vice versa.

 

[kippesoep]

It's really pretty easy to let countries get points both on basis of jury and televoting. Just allow the giving of 25/26 points. This would decrease the influence of the jury, since all countries would be rated.

In the current situation it's strange that a country can win televote and not get any points, conversely if it won with the jury, it could also get 0 points, which is strange to me as well. Furthermore, I find it strange that a country that ranked 11th would get exactly the same amount of points as one ranked 26th.

 

[Andreea]

Neither the televote system is not so good. If 90% of votes were for a song and the others 10% for others entries, is not correct to give 12 points to that song who received 90% of votes and 10 points to another who was voted by less than 10%. 2 points do not reflect the difference.

In Romanian national selection Paula&Ovi received 10 points from televoting. But the song who received 12 points was four times more voted. There was a big distance between the first and the others (practically at the same level)

 

[Pawhlen]

Neither the televote system is not so good. If 90% of votes were for a song and the others 10% for others entries, is not correct to give 12 points to that song who received 90% of votes and 10 points to another who was voted by less than 10%. 2 points do not reflect the difference.

In Romanian national selection Paula&Ovi received 10 points from televoting. But the song who received 12 points was four times more voted. There was a big distance between the first and the others (practically at the same level)

Since 2011, our televotes in Melodifestivalen are being awarded depending how much percent of the televotes each song has got. I wonder if something simular can be used in ESC?

 

[GWTW1939]

Since 2011, our televotes in Melodifestivalen are being awarded depending how much percent of the televotes each song has got. I wonder if something simular can be used in ESC?

But wouldn't that pretty much favor the diaspora :?

It works at a national final cause its one country where everyone is the same but it wouldn't work at an event with multiple countries

 

[Bibberluis]

I dont think full televoting is an option.

But maybe a system of garanteed points would work.
The result of the juries and televotes combined the same way it is now. But the number 1 2 and 3 of the televotes get at least 6 4 and 2 points.
So if the number 1 gets lower than 6 points it moves up and the country that had 6 points now gets 5 and the one with 5 gets 4 etc

And you could do the same with the jury number 1 that it for instance gets a minimum of three points.

 

[Haustor]

Its too early to say if system works or not. For example they did save same nice songs this year that would have stayed in semi finals if it was not for the juries.