No Juries anymore ONLY TELEVOTING!

[Sean]

This seems like the best solution to me. As well as creating 9 and 11 points.

What's the point in that? Just so countries like the UK can get a few extra random points..?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

And no one wants that, but let's be real here, there's been alot of changes in the televoting patterns during the past years, fact of the matter is I believe televoters are now MORE open minded and LESS biased than juries.

Just look at how the juries are treating certain genres for instance, look at what they did with Poland this year (sure Poland got diaspora, but that NEVER helped them in the past so it's not like your typical case of diaspora voting country).

The juries shouldn't be here to PREVENT diaspora countries from getting points though, they should be here to even some things out when NEEDED and vote without country in mind, but they seem to vote just as much for countries as some viewers, which is even a bigger problem considering their job should be to solely judging the music.

Also they are very close minded, and we see the result in decline in anything local or different. I honestly think they done lots of harm to this contest, gone are every trace of Europe, it's all just safe Anglo Pop now and countries are punished when they send something true to their colors, but hailed if they send someone sending and imported entry pretending to be something they're not.

I get your anger totally, indeed how you feel after being screwed over by the juries last night is how I felt for many years after we were screwed over by the televoters.

It is completely unacceptable that more of my countrymen voted for Poland but then for the UK to end up awarding 0 points due to the jury. The fact that I was one who paid to vote for Poland, yet my vote was cancelled out by just 5 unaccountable people who have to pay nothing to vote makes it worse!
But it is also completely unacceptable for hardline diasporas and political regions to corrupt the televote.

Therefore, it would seem that the 75/25 split is good - it gives the people most of the say, but will also be quite effective at cancelling out messed up voting in the televote.

 

[JamieBrown]

Or at least go back to the old 50-50 system. This years results would look like this if televoters and juries only give the points from 1 to 12 and then the votes will be combined.

01. 296
02. 231
03. 213
04. 181
05. 126
06. 109
07. 103 (3x10 points)
08. 103 (2x10 points)
09. 82
10. 75
11. 62
12. 60
13. 54 (17 times)
14. 54 (13 times)
15. 54 (10 times)
16. 52
17. 51
18. 50
19. 43
20. 40
21. 35
22. 30
23. 29
24. 9
25. 8
26. 1

Of course wouldn't also make it to the Top 10, but at least . And as this year's juries darling wouldn't. In some cases, the juries had a big influence of the result in some not, but it's still better then the current system. The 25/75 system seems interesting. Should been tested next year, before the juries would be abolish. And of course matched up with the old 50/50 system

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

What's the point in that? Just so countries like the UK can get a few extra random points..?

I dont see the point in skipping two points, like what is the reason for it???

 

[LoveHate]

I dont see the point in skipping two points, like what is the reason for it???

To make top-2 spots more valuable.

 

[Stargazer]

I'd actually be in favor of abolishing the televote all together. But the way the jury is now is not good either, that 5 people can have so much power. I'd rather the jury consisted of at least 10 people, with expertise in various different genres, and that more age groups/demographics are covered.

 

[EDC0708]

I'm sure someone else will have already done this, but here is the scoreboard for the final under 100% televoting (plus Albania and San Marino juries)
Eurovision Song Contest 2014 Final Televoting Results * powered by ScoreWIZ
The results don't seem that different to the final results, unlike in previous years where the televote and jury seemed very different.
Does anyone know the reason why Georgia's jury wasn't used in the final this year?

 

[Trece]

Power to the people! xsing

 

[Trece]

Does anyone know the reason why Georgia's jury wasn't used in the final this year?

as I heard top9 from Georgia's juries in the final was exactly the same and they disq it and used only televoting

 

[elvisontheisland]

Increase the juries from five to ten people, then give them a collective vote of 1 to 12 points (just like in the previous system), and add that to an improved televote scoring system (such as 20-16-14-12-10-8 to 1 points). That way you'll both be able to combat at least a bit of the diaspora/bloc/political voting and reduce the corruption going on amongst juries. Also, this will give way more value to televoting than it currently does - and marginalise the juries to a sort of controlling, not deciding power.

The current system is plain stupid.

 

[Romeo]

Too many issues when it is 100% televote

It doesn't work

 

[ParadiseES]

Oh, yeah. Another moaning thread about the juries. How many of them will we have? Keep them coming!

 

[Quent91]

I support the juries since they reduce the block voting impact.

It's great to see Hungary voting for the Netherlands or Ukraine voting for Sweden...

 

[Mlyn]

I'm fine with the juries, and if we can take the EBU by their own word, the new transparency rules will mean sanction for the cheaters. We cannot just abolish juries because the sink our favorite act once in a while. We need them to balance the diaspora power.

 

[bubblingtrue]

This year many countries totally destroyed by Juries like Poland and Switerland.

75-25 sounds better but something has to change because many countries will leave the contest this is for sure. And every year Eurovision would have less countries.

If it was still 100% teleporting I can pretty much guarantee there would have been less than 37 countries taking part this year...

 

[PashonFrut]

Pro juries

 

[bubblingtrue]

Oh, yeah. Another moaning thread about the juries. How many of them will we have? Keep them coming!

You notice it is generally the bloc countries with high diaspora around Europe that are screaming for the juries to be scrapped...

 

[JamieBrown]

We need them to balance the diaspora power.

Please tell me: Where have , , and a big diaspora? They all would make it to the Top 10 only by televotes. Azerbaijan would fail to qualify and Portugal would qualify. I don't think because of the bigger portuguese diaspora. And there were many more examples from this and past years contests!

 

[lilka]

I support 100% televoting. It turns out that the viewers are indeed less politically biased. I'm not saying this only because of our result, but also because of the results of other countries.

 

[ZoboCamel]

Well, I suggested before that juries should have guidelines and that there should be a stronger definition of what Eurovision is. It should be a contest of celebrating Europe for all it is, but now it's turned into a blandfest where only safe stuff in English is getting premiered.

To be fair, part of the blame lies with the televoters who choose the Americanised songs in their national final; increased public support this year could have seen Sangyn Reunalla, for example, in Eurovision. That said, I do think that the juries have too much power, and support decreasing them to 25% or 30% or something.