No Juries anymore ONLY TELEVOTING!

[Terence]

No to 100% televoting again... it would mean the same countries qualifying over & over again (give or take that one exception).

 

[greece]

I think what [MENTION=11989]Avalon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=12093]Viiiik[/MENTION] said seems the best ideas. Jury who knows from Eurovision, could affect to the result to decrease the neighboor/diaspora vote but not that much to kill what the televoters have decide

 

[FilipFromSweden]

No to 100% televoting again... it would mean the same countries qualifying over & over again (give or take that one exception).

Agree and disagree, Azerbaijan would have failed to qualify with only televoting.

I think the juries keep the countries from sending the crappy entries that often get a lot of votes from watchers.
What bugs me is that the juries are just normal/regular people that happen to work with music, in the Swedish jury Oscar Zia and Elli Flemström are just two pop artists that ended in the middle of X-factor 2012.

 

[Mlyn]

If we bring 100% televoting back, the Balkans and Turkey would instantly return and ruin the contest yet again

 

[Quent91]

don't forget the old eastern block.

 

[BGN]

UK said it clearly this year: "Power to the people!"
Maybe a good solution is televoting to award 12, 8, 6, 4, 2 points, while juries to take care of 10, 7, 5, 3, 1 points. In that way maybe results will be more balanced. If there is clash, for example song gets 12 points from the televote and the jury also award it with their maximum - 10 points, televoting to prevail and next song which is not included in the televote marks to get the jury 10 points.

 

[A-lister]

To be fair, part of the blame lies with the televoters who choose the Americanised songs in their national final; increased public support this year could have seen Sangyn Reunalla, for example, in Eurovision. That said, I do think that the juries have too much power, and support decreasing them to 25% or 30% or something.

National finals and internal selections correlates with the juries in ESC. Countries/broadcasters want to cater to the jury taste and try to send stuff they know the juries like rather than the public. Some broadcasters don't even pick entries to their selections that aren't in English or local sounding anymore, it's very tragic.

 

[IncognitoGH]

100% Televoting will never work. 100% Jury will never work. Both seem biased.

 

[Eurovisionified]

25% Jury / 75% televote?

Amen. This is what I've always wanted.

 

[IncognitoGH]

They should put a cheerometer in the arena and the biggest cheer from the crowd wins the contest ... tongue in cheek

 

[A-lister]

100% Televoting will never work. 100% Jury will never work. Both seem biased.

The juries have proven to be more biased though.

 

[IncognitoGH]

The juries have proven to be more biased though.

More biased maybe, but block voting would creep back in if we had 100% televote.

 

[A-lister]

More biased maybe, but block voting would creep back in if we had 100% televote.

People should get the bloc voting out of their system, the main problem was ALWAYS diaspora voting, it's just that people assume it's "bloc" voting when Russians in Estonia/Latvia/Ukraine vote for Russia or when Serbs in Bosnia vote for Serbia, when fact of the matter is it's the same thing as when Turks in Germany voted for Turkey or Armenians in Netherlands voted for Armenia. I guess it's because some are neighbors it may look as a "bloc", but often it's just diaspora voting.

But look at the televoting results lately, I'd say it's been far more diverse and less biased than the juries. Also juries should vote with music and NOT countries in mind, wasn't that the official purpose? But now they vote for countries not music...

 

[IncognitoGH]

People should get the bloc voting out of their system, the main problem was ALWAYS diaspora voting, it's just that people assume it's "bloc" voting when Russians in Estonia/Latvia/Ukraine vote for Russia or when Serbs in Bosnia vote for Serbia, when fact of the matter is it's the same thing as when Turks in Germany voted for Turkey or Armenians in Netherlands voted for Armenia. I guess it's because some are neighbors it may look as a "bloc", but often it's just diaspora voting.

But look at the televoting results lately, I'd say it's been far more diverse and less biased than the juries. Also juries should vote with music and NOT countries in mind, wasn't that the official purpose? But now they vote for countries not music...

Over the years, enough evidence shows that many of the countries ie in scandinavia voted for each other. It was a common theme and that shouldn't sneak back in. Yes that is the juries purpose, like I said 100% jury wouldn't work and 100% televoting wouldn't work

 

[A-lister]

Over the years, enough evidence shows that many of the countries ie in scandinavia voted for each other. It was a common theme and that shouldn't sneak back in. Yes that is the juries purpose, like I said 100% jury wouldn't work and 100% televoting wouldn't work

There are some bloc voting, but some of it that people assume are blocs are just diaspora voting.

Yes, the juries should vote for music not countries, but they are as equally biased and quite frankly looking at the televoting results, the public nowadays are far less biased and more open minded than ever before. It's the juries bringing the politics into the contest again.

Also let's not begin with the juries loath for everything local, it's a major problem for a contest which atleast on paper should be entries representing their countries, if the juries are punish all of that.

 

[IncognitoGH]

There are some bloc voting, but some of it that people assume are blocs are just diaspora voting.

Yes, the juries should vote for music not countries, but they are as equally biased and quite frankly looking at the televoting results, the public nowadays are far less biased and more open minded than ever before.

With the televotes Poland would have had a fantastic result ... in my opinion, that is good that they didn't have full control of the vote.

 

[A-lister]

With the televotes Poland would have had a fantastic result ... in my opinion, that is good that they didn't have full control of the vote.

They would have gotten the results they deserved. It was one of the few daring entries, one of the few up-to-date ones, one of the few with local motives, one of the few sung in native language... we have an issue in a contest where a public 12 will end up at 0 just because juries dislike a country and loath everything local.

 

[Terence]

People should get the bloc voting out of their system, the main problem was ALWAYS diaspora voting, it's just that people assume it's "bloc" voting when Russians in Estonia/Latvia/Ukraine vote for Russia or when Serbs in Bosnia vote for Serbia, when fact of the matter is it's the same thing as when Turks in Germany voted for Turkey or Armenians in Netherlands voted for Armenia. I guess it's because some are neighbors it may look as a "bloc", but often it's just diaspora voting.

Call it whatever you like, that is why I completely disapprove of televoting. I'm not saying jury voting isn't flawed but televoting is just too predictable and it was getting tiring year after year the same countries getting points from some countries.

 

[IncognitoGH]

They would have gotten the results they deserved. It was one of the few daring entries, one of the few up-to-date ones, one of the few with local motives, one of the few sung in native language... we have an issue in a contest where a public 12 will end up at 0 just because juries dislike a country and loath everything local.

Most juries gave Poland a poor result, I trust their judgement on this entry

 

[A-lister]

Most juries gave Poland a poor result, I trust their judgement on this entry

What is there to trust really? Blatantly screwing a country over and manipulating votes because they dislike the country and loath everything local and different?