No Juries anymore ONLY TELEVOTING!

[Mlyn]

I think there were two things that raised the quality of Eurovision again - the introduction of a second semifinal and the re-introduction of juries. I don't want to go back to 2006 to 2009, where I liked only one song out of 4 years (Israel 2008).

But the current system needs a fix. Whereas televoters are asked to vote for their favourite song(s), juries are asked to rank all participants. And I doubt if someone is capable of doing this fairly, since everyone has his personal favourites, but that's not more than 5 to 10 songs. Ranking 26 songs for an individual is quite a stretch and gives the power to vote against someone as well as voting for someone. And what I think is also unfair that middle of the road songs can get 12 points if televoters and juries disagree. (A country can get 12 points now even if it is outside both of the Top 10 of juries and viewers).

Let's go back to the old 50/50 system which was installed until 2012 or let's give the jurors 20 votes like the televotes, who have 20 votes as well. Also jurors should vote independently from each other, so they better don't know each other. Their votes should be supervised and confirmed by an audit firm like PwC.

 

[Nathan]

I agree, the complete jury ranking needs to go.

 

[Mlyn]

A dozen Eurovision songs entered the UK Top 100 charts. NONE of them is Poland. I think this proves why juries are a good thing, when diaspora voters try falsifying the public vote.

But we mustn't allow the juries to falsify the vote either, just to balance it.

 

[Quent91]

A dozen Eurovision songs entered the UK Top 100 charts. NONE of them is Poland.

People voted for the boobs, not the song. And you cannot see the boobs while listening to the song on your iPod.

 

[aletem]

They should go back to the old 50-50 system, since the new system is very much abused.

 

[Nathan]

People voted for the boobs, not the song. And you cannot see the boobs while listening to the song on your iPod.

You could listen to the song and look at a random girl's boobs at the same time.

 

[Mlyn]

I just studied the impact of the current voting system on our winner country Full Split Results | Eurovision Song Contest - Copenhagen 2014

The combined vote went like this: 12 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Under the old system it would have been like this: 12 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

So the new system eliminated the televotes for Germany and Poland, and hyped Ukraine, which was around rank 10 by each juror and 12 with the public. Also Norway and Iceland got a boost.


So, but since the juries would haven still ranked from 1 to 26, which I think isn't fair, because it allows negative voting as well, we should play the 50/50 game by combining and ranking the jury votes first and adding up the televotes. So, a juror's impact is reduced to his positive vote and not to what he or she would have pushed to the bottom.

So, the perfect score from would have been:

12
10
08
07
06
05
04
03
02
01

I think that would have been the fairest vote! Would somebody want to calculate that for the entire voting?

a) each juror has 1 - 12 points
b) adding up the jury votes from 1 - 12 points
c) combining this with the televotes

( whatever an individual juror ranked from 11-26 gets 0 points, so 0 points go into the calculation for the final jury score)

 

[Mlyn]

omg, our beloved forum admin retweeted my post on wiwibloggs

Matt
May 13, 2014 @ 02:48:53

The public were only asked to vote for an act. But the jury members were supposed, somehow, to rank 25 acts in order. How can any normal human do that in a reasonable space of time? We can all manage to rank two: best – worst. Or three best – indifferent – worst. We can probably go up to four or five at a pinch. But 25? No way.

my saying....

 

[Pawhlen]

EBU on jury votes: The results are not indisputably invalid

Interesting

 

[JamieBrown]

EBU on jury votes: The results are not indisputably invalid

Interesting

And in case of Armenien jury vote: It seem eligible. There is nothing completely wrong if they turn down the strongest opponents, if they'll rank the other countries more different. Of course, thats very shifty and it makes me very sad. On the other hand it absolutely show the bad influence juries could have and they're could misuse their power! So the armenian jury vote is the best example for everything worse with the jury vote.

Unfortunately I think it'll never happen anymore, that EBU abolish the juries, but they should at least go back to the old 50/50 system. Just as well, I would be happy if they would abolish the juries in the semifinals, because it's even worser if a country didn't qualify, because of the jury.