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It is absolute ridiculous that he was disqualified for such a minor incidence. Shame on you, EBU! I'm wondering if his support for Palestine influenced their decision.AVROTROS has released a statement about the joost situation
If so, I hope Martin Österdahl is even more embarassed about his dumb "thankfully the contest is back in Sweden after the turbulent last renditions" comment......From reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cpefb1/comment/l3k5j92/
"I'm Dutchie living in Sweden, and was once almost fired from a university teaching job because of a single student complaint after bluntly telling my students that many of their assignments don't bother to include their name and student nr, or use basic punctuation, and that I'm not ever going to grade them until they fix that (note: so not even saying I would fail them. I gave them infinite retries).
So I'm obviously biased by the experience but I am more inclined to believe it's a clash of cultures: Dutch bluntness vs Swedish direct conflict avoidance and aggressive conflict escalation via official complaint channels.
edit: since this is getting more visibility than I expected, I want to add a bit of nuance so people don't think I'm crapping on Swedish culture. I think both countries are charming because of these cultural traits, the problem is that both can take it too far, and since they are polar opposites it can really clash. But I like living here partially because the Dutch bluntness often manifests as aggressively asserting opinions as truths with unearned confidence, whereas in my experience Swedes tend to be a lot more aware that whatever they say is their interpretation, and much more willing to listen to each other's pov. In a perfect world our countries would learn a bit from each other here."
So this is about the recorded incident where Israelis record him without consent, the same video that was leaked on X? And is indeed one of the people filming part of the songwriting team of Israel?
Also from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cpefb1/comment/l3k8oeb/This incident is separate from that one. The Israeli delegation is not directly responsible for Joost's DQ, as per the EBU's statement and I'm inclined to believe that. He offended a very, very sensitive individual with idk, a gesture, and she filed an official complaint with the police.
To be honest – though I've been waiting decades for us to come back –I would gladly have waited another year instead of having Luxembourg come back this yearI am just wondering if this is the end of Eurovision. With all the countries saying they will withdraw, I wonder how many will come back next year. I also feel bad for Luxembourg they picked the wrong year to come back.
This incident is separate from that one. The Israeli delegation is not directly responsible for Joost's DQ, as per the EBU's statement and I'm inclined to believe that. He offended a very, very sensitive individual with idk, a gesture, and she filed an official complaint with the police.
There were witnesses when it happened, and it was filmed. It was not 'just' a verbal threat… I hope EBU releases the footage when they can.
This is a show that I won't be as sad when it's over.To be honest – though I've been waiting decades for us to come back –I would gladly have waited another year instead of having Luxembourg come back this year
Police confirmed it was a verbal threat, not a physical one. If AVRO/TROS is telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt them, watch EBU accidentally lose that footage. This is not related to the Israeli situation at all.Nothing to do with the Israeli delegation. There were witnesses when it happened, and it was filmed. It was not 'just' a verbal threat… I hope EBU releases the footage when they can.
is pretty much all I can say to the bit in bold. The idiocy is astounding really.Police confirmed it was a verbal threat, not a physical one. If AVRO/TROS is telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt them, watch EBU accidentally lose that footage. This is not related to the Israeli situation at all.
Police is investigating because they received a complaint, apparently from a very sensitive person. This is a culture clash, and EBU should have been above that.
Isn't Swedish police said it's not physical?is pretty much all I can say to the bit in bold. The idiocy is astounding really.
I get you're not happy that Joost has been disqualified, but there are legal processes that are having to be followed.
To just spout stupid claims like you are and claim the alleged victim is just a "very sensitive person" really shows you up as pretty horrid.
A threat or something that intimidates doesn't have to be physical, does it?Isn't Swedish police said it's not physical?
"Joost Klein has been interrogated by the Swedish police. The police shares that Joost Klein is suspected of 'unlawful threats' that took place at the Malmö Arena Thursday night. No announcements have been made about the nature of the threats. That incident is said to have taken place Thursday night. The complaint was filed Friday." - from NOSIsn't Swedish police said it's not physical?
Funny you say that as I don’t exactly think very highly of you either after reading your comments today. And that’s understatement.is pretty much all I can say to the bit in bold. The idiocy is astounding really.
I get you're not happy that Joost has been disqualified, but there are legal processes that are having to be followed.
To just spout stupid claims like you are and claim the alleged victim is just a "very sensitive person" really shows you up as pretty horrid.
To the Dutch news a Swedish spokeswoman from the police said it was not physically."Joost Klein has been interrogated by the Swedish police. The police shares that Joost Klein is suspected of 'unlawful threats' that took place at the Malmö Arena Thursday night. No announcements have been made about the nature of the threats. That incident is said to have taken place Thursday night. The complaint was filed Friday." - from NOS
For context, the fact that he's accused of "unlawful threats" doesn't mean that there was no physical confrontation involved.
What a pity after my posts about following the law and not spouting conspiracy theories. How awful of me indeed...Funny you say that as I don’t exactly think very highly of you either after reading your comments today. And that’s understatement.
You’d be willing to hang Joost based on your comments. You immediately jumped to conclusions and didn’t pay any attention to actual facts, even when they were presented to you. You even call people horrid when they present you with data that doesn’t fit your narrative. Yeah, not a fan of you.What a pity after my posts about following the law and not spouting conspiracy theories. How awful of me indeed...