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SuperGirl

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Because the current list doesn't make those changes so it is fair across all 60 years. The new one will.

Still the list will never be fair.

I mean if today's rules excited in 1969 then France would have won, Spain 2nd, Netherlands 3rd and UK 4th. Should we take away the victories for Spain, Netherlands and UK too?? how can UK get 12 points in the past when they didn't excisted?? So you don't count UK's 1969 win either??
 

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I'm curious to see how "fair" Gre will make his list.

Also it will always be more countries participating today than in the past. It's nothing to do about.

Look at 1969: Italy gave 4 points to Monaco, 3 points each to UK and Netherlands. How will that be a scoreboard 12-1 like today???

I also don't see what's unfair with the scoreboard in OP. UK are in same rules as Sweden and other countries!! It seems people are angry that UK is doing bad right now and want to save their asses with another scoreboard. It's UK's problem that they are bad right now. I'm sure if UK did well now then no UK people would complain. But now I hear crying about ohhh the scoreboard was different in the past when we were best. Buuuuuh?
 

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Why would a Greek care how well the UK does? Please enlighten me.
 

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Well, I think more ESC fans support UK than Sweden. That's for sure.
Id say the UK and Sweden are equally the most popular Eurovision nations among fans, but why would they be bothered about if either comes to at the top?

I cant believe you're still throwing your toys out of the pram about this!
 

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While the UK will probably be boosted by modifying scores to adjust for different systems - as they were more successful in the earlier years - I do think it's a little silly to see all the Brits absolutely denying that they'll be overtaken on the unadjusted score board this year. Over the last five years - as in, the important ones to look at if we're trying to find a trend and predict future results - the UK has averaged 37 points in the final, while Sweden has averaged 167 (counting 2010's entry as 0 points due to its non-qualification). That means that, over the last five years, Sweden has beaten the UK by an average of 130 points. Is it really so absurd to suggest that they'll be ahead by 81 points this year?

Now, I'm not trying to say that Sweden is some kind of ESC god, or deny that the UK has been a very successful country, but I think it's important to remember that there have been very significant changes in countries' performance with time. Does the UK have a great Eurovision history? Yes. Does it still deserve its title of 'best Eurovision country'? No, I don't think it does; at least not without some kind of modifier. Imagine if someone who doesn't know much about the contest were to ask which country is the strongest, and were told 'it's the UK'; wouldn't that completely misrepresent the situation without some kind of clarifying information?

I think it's important to see an all-time scoreboard as what it is: one metric of representing numbers that can't be easily summed up. Certain countries are strong in certain lights, and certain time periods, and that's about all there is to it.

Of course, with most of my descendants coming from the UK - and with my feeling that their last year's entry was completely robbed in the voting - I'd like nothing more than for the UK to return to its former Eurovision glory. For now, though, any attempt to simply call them (or Sweden, or Azerbaijan, or anyone else for that matter) the strongest Eurovision country is misguided.
 

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[MENTION=14000]SuperGirl[/MENTION], dont pay attention to the new list. Its so simple. :)
And dont cry if Sweden is lower than you think.
Supergirls dont cry.. ;)
 

SuperGirl

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[MENTION=14000]SuperGirl[/MENTION], dont pay attention to the new list. Its so simple. :)
And dont cry if Sweden is lower than you think.
Supergirls dont cry.. ;)



I'm not crying. you and the UK people are crying, it's you who seems to have problem with the current list.
 

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Congrats [MENTION=5532]GRE[/MENTION] on this thread! Damn, 11 pages already, it is definitely a hit! :lol:

And jeeez some people need to take a chill pill and relax.

These scoreboards are made just for fun.

We don't need to fight over which country has it bigger... (the ESC success i mean.... :mrgreen:)
 

FilipFromSweden

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The difference between Sweden and UK were 178 points in ESC 2014.

The difference between them in the list above is only 81 points.

If UK fail bad Sweden don't need to win or be top 3. Top 5 would be enough or even a place under that.

IMO, it's very possible that Sweden will take the top spot this year. Only a 2013 performance from Sweden will save UK from losing their top spot.

If you look at the latest years results then you will see it's more likely than not that Sweden will do very well and UK will be at the bottom of the table.

Sounds like you are trying to keep your dream alive. If not this year then Sweden will take the top spot very soon.

Spot on girl! I think our biggest weapon is the international jury in the final, stopping all songs to flop and pushing songs that will do good. Sweden has since 2012 been placed in the overall jury top 3 (final) with Loreen as #1, Robin as #3 and Sanna as #3, and Eric in 2011 was #9 I believe. The UK just keeps going backwards and that is showing in the results.
[MENTION=14143]KonstOik[/MENTION] please google John Ballard
 

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FilipFromSweden

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Oh really?
Lets take those 372 points from Sweden then,and give them to...
Morocco!

Honey, Loreen was born in Sweden with parents from Marocco, she is registered as a Swedish citizen since birth.
Also, Arash is a Swede. 2009-2014 was written by Swedes
 

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Honey, Loreen was born in Sweden with parents from Marocco, she is registered as a Swedish citizen since birth.
Also, Arash is a Swede. 2009-2014 was written by Swedes

You're very generous xsalute
 

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Just look at the results on this poll. How come UK had so many more votes than Sweden??


http://www.escunited.com/t12168-29/

Don't you think UK had more supporters? Lol!

1) That poll asks for predictions, not for preferences.

2) More than half of those 16 who voted for the UK in this poll are predictably Brits :lol:
UK has more members here than Sweden and the Brits are usually one of the most self-supportive nations when it comes to ESC, at least on this forum ;)
 

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1) That poll asks for predictions, not for preferences.

2) More than half of those 16 who voted for the UK in this poll are predictably Brits :lol:
UK has more members here than Sweden and the Brits are usually one of the most self-supportive nations when it comes to ESC, at least on this forum ;)

So people predict UK to win? Seriously?? :lol:

No since no one even knows the entries this is a poll for preferences. Yes, the title is who will win. But stil people are voting for the countries the WANT to win.
 

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Like I said, you can say whatever you want, the UK has the most points, second places, and second most first places. You cannot hide from those facts.
 

SuperGirl

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Like I said, you can say whatever you want, the UK has the most points, second places, and second most first places. You cannot hide from those facts.

Sweden also have second most 1st places and more 3rd places.

Soon, maybe already next year, Sweden will have most points.
 
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