All time scoreboard (1957-2014)

[Pawhlen]

We shall all remember what was written in an earlier post, we have gotten 837 Points 2011-2014

 

[Carrie]

If only the lyrics were ' I'm a super girl, but boy you gotta love Swedes'

 

[FilipFromSweden]

You're a little late, aren't you? At the end of the day we won't know anything until this years Eurovision, so why waste our time? I think the UK are going to come back with a bang, being British, and you don't, being Swedish.

(Just saying, most of the acts you mentioned rarely chart or are hasbeens. The only credible mention was Abba).

Avicii has the most played song ever on Spotify, Icona Pop has 130 million listenings on Spotify and got to end the MTV European Music Awards in 2013. Ever heard of Don't You Worry Child? It's the song that has 233 466 700 views currently (more views than any of Jessie, Ed or Marina's got) on Youtube and 168 million on Spotify, neither Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, Jessie J or Carly Rae Jepsen has a song on Spotify with 163 million listenings. Both Tove Lo and First Aid Kit made the Rolling Stones 2014 top 100 list, Tove also ended up on 3rd place on the Billboard list. And you think none of them are credible to mention? Huh ..

Back to Eurovision, I can tell if a country is going to do well or bad even if I'm a Swede or not, I can tell The Netherlands has got their tracks right for now aswell as Hungary, Armenia an Sweden while Azerbaijan, Greece and ofc United Kingdom is sinking. Just because you are British does not mean you know anything more about the entry of UK rather than I do.

 

[Carrie]

Avicii has the most played song ever on Spotify, Icona Pop has 130 million listenings on Spotify and got to end the MTV European Music Awards in 2013. Ever heard of Don't You Worry Child? It's the song that has 233 466 700 views currently (more views than any of Jessie, Ed or Marina's got) on Youtube and 168 million on Spotify, neither Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, Jessie J or Carly Rae Jepsen has a song on Spotify with 163 million listenings. Both Tove Lo and First Aid Kit made the Rolling Stones 2014 top 100 list, Tove also ended up on 3rd place on the Billboard list. And you think none of them are credible to mention? Huh ..

Back to Eurovision, I can tell if a country is going to do well or bad even if I'm a Swede or not, I can tell The Netherlands has got their tracks right for now aswell as Hungary, Armenia an Sweden while Azerbaijan, Greece and ofc United Kingdom is sinking. Just because you are British does not mean you know anything more about the entry of UK rather than I do.

How many of their songs have made worldwide top charts? 1, 2? Youtube views do not matter. Charts do. Sweden does not have a bigger music industry than the UK, and to be honest Id rather my country have a amazing music than decent Eurovision placings. Mind you, we generally do get them, we're just going through a bad patch right now.

Fyi, iconas song was sung and wrote by Charli XCX, a Brit. They are hardly deserving of all the credit now, are they?

Where did the me claiming to know more than you on the UK entry bs come from? You cannot say the UK is sinking. In fact, we're slowly bringing ourselves back up with the quality of our entries.

Evidently you are not going to change your stance and I certainly am not. The case is closed (I can't see why you felt the need to bring it back up anyway).

 

[ParadiseES]

Gosh, this thread has become really boring. I see some worrying obsession there too...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

How many of their songs have made worldwide top charts? 1, 2? Youtube views do not matter. Charts do. Sweden does not have a bigger music industry than the UK, and to be honest Id rather my country have a amazing music than decent Eurovision placings. Mind you, we generally do get them, we're just going through a bad patch right now.

Fyi, iconas song was sung and wrote by Charli XCX, a Brit. They are hardly deserving of all the credit now, are they?

Where did the me claiming to know more than you on the UK entry bs come from? You cannot say the UK is sinking. In fact, we're slowly bringing ourselves back up with the quality of our entries.

Evidently you are not going to change your stance and I certainly am not. The case is closed (I can't see why you felt the need to bring it back up anyway).

No, I like this discussion. I don't really see it as a fight.

Youtube views does not matter? Why do you think that? People use Youtube and Spotify to browse and listen to music, and those numbers says a lot, they even make money out of those numbers. I know UK has a bigger music industry, however, Avicii beats all of them. I don't really see the '' we generally do get them '' because in 15 years you only have two songs ended up in the top 10 and let me tell you that Eurovision has changed in 15 years in a lot of ways. However, I must say that Children Of The Universe was one of the most professional entries that year, just lacking something most of the other entries had, something special. I think the UK is having a hard time understanding the voters and the jury, sending Engelbert and Bonnie - what we're they thinking? Did they think Bonnie would get somewhere with that song?

Sweden will keep on doing good, we have the international jury in our final aswell as the most watched NF with the highest quality. There is a reason our NF is always the most watched program of the year in Sweden. And yes, I can say that the UK is sinking, it is a total fact, everybody can see it but you. In the latest 3 years the UK got 75 points, an average of 25 points those 3 years, and you say the UK is starting to rise? Huh

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

While the UK will probably be boosted by modifying scores to adjust for different systems - as they were more successful in the earlier years - I do think it's a little silly to see all the Brits absolutely denying that they'll be overtaken on the unadjusted score board this year. Over the last five years - as in, the important ones to look at if we're trying to find a trend and predict future results - the UK has averaged 37 points in the final, while Sweden has averaged 167 (counting 2010's entry as 0 points due to its non-qualification). That means that, over the last five years, Sweden has beaten the UK by an average of 130 points. Is it really so absurd to suggest that they'll be ahead by 81 points this year?

Now, I'm not trying to say that Sweden is some kind of ESC god, or deny that the UK has been a very successful country, but I think it's important to remember that there have been very significant changes in countries' performance with time. Does the UK have a great Eurovision history? Yes. Does it still deserve its title of 'best Eurovision country'? No, I don't think it does; at least not without some kind of modifier. Imagine if someone who doesn't know much about the contest were to ask which country is the strongest, and were told 'it's the UK'; wouldn't that completely misrepresent the situation without some kind of clarifying information?

I think it's important to see an all-time scoreboard as what it is: one metric of representing numbers that can't be easily summed up. Certain countries are strong in certain lights, and certain time periods, and that's about all there is to it.

Of course, with most of my descendants coming from the UK - and with my feeling that their last year's entry was completely robbed in the voting - I'd like nothing more than for the UK to return to its former Eurovision glory. For now, though, any attempt to simply call them (or Sweden, or Azerbaijan, or anyone else for that matter) the strongest Eurovision country is misguided.

This post summarises how confused the whole 'Sweden will be no.1' argument really is...

First, there is an 81-point difference between the United Kingdom & Sweden on the assumption that the United Kingdom receives nul points this year. If we got Scooch's result this year, we'd have a 100-point lead. If we got Molly's result again, we'd have a 121-point lead. A Blue result, a 181-point lead. A Jade result, a 254-point lead. See?

Second, shouldnt it be the record of the 60-years in total count for the greatest Eurovision? Not just the 4 most recent years??

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

As for the British vs Swedish music industries, the difference is that British artists dont require a competition like Eurovision in order to get international exposure, whereas Swedish artists bar those in the dance music business (which Sweden pretty much dominates) dont really get much international exposure at all, therefore they require an outlet like Eurovision for a European audience to hear them.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

As for the British vs Swedish music industries, the difference is that British artists dont require a competition like Eurovision in order to get international exposure, whereas Swedish artists bar those in the dance music business (which Sweden pretty much dominates) dont really get much international exposure at all, therefore they require an outlet like Eurovision for a European audience to hear them.

Are you kidding me? The music industry of Sweden (and I'm talking the professional) is not what we send to Eurovision, do you think our biggest artists are Sanna Nielsen, Loreen or Eric Saade? No no no. It would be like me saying that the UK music industry consists of Engelbert, Molly and Josh!?!? Avicii, Swedish House Mafia, Icona Pop, Tove Lo and First Aid Kit did not get a career thanks to Eurovision!!!

 

[Mlyn]

As for the British vs Swedish music industries, the difference is that British artists dont require a competition like Eurovision in order to get international exposure, whereas Swedish artists bar those in the dance music business (which Sweden pretty much dominates) dont really get much international exposure at all, therefore they require an outlet like Eurovision for a European audience to hear them.

That's utter nonsense. Eurovision is big in Sweden, still the biggest Swedish stars have no ties do Eurovision at all: most recently Tove Lo, Avicii, Agnes, Swedish House Mafia, formerly Roxette, Dr. Alban, Ace of Base and many more.... Whoever is a Swedish popstar, he or she made it without Eurovision. Whereas Swedish Eurovision acts don't really become famous.

The difference between UK and Sweden is, that UK has no clue how to win ESC, doesnt put enough effort into it, still feel like they are entitled to winning it and yet they act like they wouldnt have taken it seriously anyways after losing it. There's a reason why UK threads are always the longest in this forum or UK Eurovision's next winner in the polls, and that is for the pride of the British.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Are you kidding me? The music industry of Sweden (and I'm talking the professional) is not what we send to Eurovision, do you think our biggest artists are Sanna Nielsen, Loreen or Eric Saade? No no no. It would be like me saying that the UK music industry consists of Engelbert, Molly and Josh!?!? Avicii, Swedish House Mafia, Icona Pop, Tove Lo and First Aid Kit did not get a career thanks to Eurovision!!!

Did you even read what I wrote? The Swedish artists most people here have heard of are probably Avicii, Swedish House Mafia, Icona Pop & Basshunter... all dance music. I said Sweden has significant enough dominance in the dance music industry for these artists to reach international fame without entering a competition such as Eurovision... Britain has significant enough dominance in every aspect of the music industry for any artist whatever their genre to reach international fame without presenting themselves on television.

Meanwhile Swedish pop artists, take for instance Loreen & Eric Saade, it has taken for them to have entered Eurovision for their subsequent music like 'My Heart Is Refusing Me' or 'Hotter than Fire' to be heard in the UK for instance.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Did you even read what I wrote?

Yes, I read what you wrote.

Swedish artists bar those in the dance music business (which Sweden pretty much dominates) dont really get much international exposure at all, therefore they require an outlet like Eurovision for a European audience to hear them

 

[RainyWoods]

Hello ladies and gentlemen, I hear there is a fight going on around these parts. How does one involve themselves in the action?

 

[Gabe]

The UK won't win the contest for at least another decade. We haven't sent anything capable of winning since 1998 and people are becoming more and more pessimistic every year...

 

[ZoboCamel]

This post summarises how confused the whole 'Sweden will be no.1' argument really is...

First, there is an 81-point difference between the United Kingdom & Sweden on the assumption that the United Kingdom receives nul points this year. If we got Scooch's result this year, we'd have a 100-point lead. If we got Molly's result again, we'd have a 121-point lead. A Blue result, a 181-point lead. A Jade result, a 254-point lead. See?

Second, shouldnt it be the record of the 60-years in total count for the greatest Eurovision? Not just the 4 most recent years??

I'm not sure you understand how the maths works here... you're counting the UK's 2015 result and adding it onto the 81 point difference, but you're then saying that that's the lead that Sweden has to overcome. It's not: it's the total amount of points that Sweden would have to get. Currently, they are behind by 81. In most previous years, they have been ahead of the UK by more than 81 points. As such, they would take the lead. Another way of looking at it is to say that in 2015 they have to score 81 + whatever the UK gets, which based on trends is also entirely possible. It's the same thing.

I'm really not bothered by which of these countries tops the all-time scoreboard, as I don't see it as much of a meaningful indicator of performance, and I've got no vested interest in the outcome anyway. However, I'd like to not be called confused just because you're messing up your maths.

The UK won't win the contest for at least another decade. We haven't sent anything capable of winning since 1998 and people are becoming more and more pessimistic every year...

Eh, I wouldn't be so pessimistic. I think 2014 was a great move in the right direction, and I still don't quite get why Europe snubbed Molly as much as they did; if they keep on the right track then I think they'll be onto a winner sooner or later. There's enough talent in the country, they just have to pull everything together right.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I'm not sure you understand how the maths works here... you're counting the UK's 2015 result and adding it onto the 81 point difference, but you're then saying that that's the lead that Sweden has to overcome. It's not: it's the total amount of points that Sweden would have to get. Currently, they are behind by 81. In most previous years, they have been ahead of the UK by more than 81 points. As such, they would take the lead. Another way of looking at it is to say that in 2015 they have to score 81 + whatever the UK gets, which based on trends is also entirely possible. It's the same thing.

I'm really not bothered by which of these countries tops the all-time scoreboard, as I don't see it as much of a meaningful indicator of performance, and I've got no vested interest in the outcome anyway. However, I'd like to not be called confused just because you're messing up your maths.

Im not messing up my maths, you were suggesting that so long as Sweden gets above 81 points it will overtake the United Kingdom, and Im stating that that is simply incorrect unless we get zero points (unlikely).

We'd only need a Scooch result (votes from 2 countries) and already Sweden would need 100-points or more to overtake us.

As I said myself, it is possible for Sweden to top this list this year, but the odds are they wont.

 

[ZoboCamel]

Im not messing up my maths, you were suggesting that so long as Sweden gets above 81 points it will overtake the United Kingdom, and Im stating that that is simply incorrect unless we get zero points (unlikely).

We'd only need a Scooch result (votes from 2 countries) and already Sweden would need 100-points or more to overtake us.

As I said myself, it is possible for Sweden to top this list this year, but the odds are they wont.

Oh, in that case it's a misunderstanding, and I apologise - I wasn't trying to suggest what you mentioned. Still, the odds are that Sweden will top the list this year, as they have made up more than that difference in 3 of the last 4 years. That said, I hope they won't, as that would require the UK to have another unsuccessful song. =/

 

[anto475]

WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STOP ARGUING?!!!!??? WE ALL KNOW WHO THE REAL WINNERS OF ALL TIME ARE

 

[Leydan]

WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STOP ARGUING?!!!!??? WE ALL KNOW WHO THE REAL WINNERS OF ALL TIME ARE

I literally just announced on other thread that the Irish would soon intervene because you was #1 in the second 20 years, at the same time as well.

http://www.escunited.com/t13009/#post1372088

Look at that, It's the Irish.

*Irish members suddenly intervene in the ongoing Sweden vs. UK battle*

 

[anto475]

I literally just announced on other thread that the Irish would soon intervene because you was #1 in the second 20 years, at the same time as well.

http://www.escunited.com/t13009/#post1372088

Tbh I was just looking to cause more of a fuss well winning is all that matters so clearly we win. also, we're clearly miles ahead of shit Sweden and ugly UK in terms of our national music industry. was it a Swedish band or a British band that had their new cd automatically downloaded onto everyone's iphones last year? I DON'T THINK SO