All time scoreboard (1957-2014)

[SuperGirl]

If we're still all going in 2065, come back and if Sweden's had 5 victories, 15 runner-ups and 3 thirds, I'll be happy to hand over the crown

Lol. Sweden has same amount of victories as the music Gods from UK. We also have more 3rd places.

 

[Leydan]

On other side UK isn't successful now with 35+ countries. Why that if they are gods of music??

It's not the number of countries but the average amount of points collected, for example Azerbaijan will have a very low average despite it's win. The UK currently holds the crown for the highest average amount of points. In 1976 we got an average of 9.76 points, only Norway in 2009 got close to this being short of beating us by 0.20 points. It's unlikely we will ever be beaten as well due to the number of countries competing.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Far behind UK?? How?? If you look at the OP the difference is 81 points and there are very high possibilities that Sweden will take the top spot soon.

According to this poll but Im talking about the one that Gre is compiling.

But anyway, 81 point difference is not as small as you're making out. It's 12 points from like 7 different countries.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Lol. Sweden has same amount of victories as the music Gods from UK. We also have more 3rd places.

Shame about the single runner-up place then

 

[Leydan]

Lol. Sweden has same amount of victories as the music Gods from UK. We also have more 3rd places.

ok. Let's convert this into points then. 1st=12 points, 2nd=10 points, 3rd=8 points.

UK: 234 points (5 1sts, 15 2nds, 3 3rds)
Sweden: 118 points (5 1sts, 1 2nd, 6 3rds)

You beat us in 3rd places by 3, we beat you in 2nd places by 14.

 

[GRE]

[MENTION=14000]SuperGirl[/MENTION],
lets take a fact.
Eurovision will NEVER be absolutelly fair.
I will give you an exaple of the new scoreboard.
In 1964, when Italy won, each country could give 5-3-1 points to their 3 favorite songs.
I have just changed 5-3-1 points to the curent system 12-10-8.

 

[SuperGirl]

According to this poll but Im talking about the one that Gre is compiling.

But anyway, 81 point difference is not as small as you're making out. It's 12 points from like 7 different countries.

Well, why should Gre list be more real and fair?

Also Sweden last year had over 170 points more than UK. UK the latest 4 years have 175 points. The difference between Sweden and UK is as big as the point totals for UK the latest 4 years. 81 points isn't big gap.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I think SuperGirl is an example of fans who like to overexagerate Sweden's Eurovision performance in recent years anyway. Sure, in the last 4 years only one entry has come outside the top 10 (2013), but before that we have:
- non-qualification (when they thought they were going to win, again)
- 21st
- 18th
- 18th
- 5th
- 19th
- 5th
- 5th
- 8th
- 5th
- 7th

Apart from the 5th places which drag things up a bit, you wouldnt call it a sparkling record.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Well, why should Gre list be more real and fair?

Also Sweden last year had over 170 points more than UK. UK the latest 4 years have 175 points. The difference between Sweden and UK is as big as the point totals for UK the latest 4 years. 81 points isn't big gap.

Why do you keep using the last 4 years as a snapshot to back-up your argument? It couldnt be because they just happen to be Sweden's most successful years could it?!!

 

[Leydan]

You have to thank Anna for flopping big time in 2010, otherwise Sweden would probably still be bouncing about on their who-cares-about-meh-results-we-always-qualify-anyway cloud that were enjoying up until that moment she failed. It gave them the kick they needed to even start trying again.

 

[SuperGirl]

One unfair thing is that Sweden missed final 2010. UK and the big 5 are always qualified to final.

The many countries will not get any points when UK even in bottom of the final always will get some points.

If UK need to qualify from semi then I think they would lose some points.

 

[SuperGirl]

Why do you keep using the last 4 years as a snapshot to back-up your argument? It couldnt be because they just happen to be Sweden's most successful years could it?!!

Because they are the most recent ones. Even adding 2010 Sweden should still get 837 points which are better than any other country the latest 5 years.

 

[Leydan]

One unfair thing is that Sweden missed final 2010. UK and the big 5 are always qualified to final.

The many countries will not get any points when UK even in bottom of the final always will get some points.

If UK need to qualify from semi then I think they would lose some points.

Yes the big 5 isn't perfect, but forcing them into the semi's will force them all to take the competition absolutely serious without question. The BBC said they couldn't possibly give eurovision a prime time television slot if they fail to make the final. All it will do is give the countries who struggle enough like San Marino, Slovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Belgium & Portugal even more competition to stand up against with. Even with 12 countries qualifying instead of 10. In 2010 yes the UK would have failed to qualify without question, but you don't know which big 4's would be in with Sweden. Germany and France, then i doubt it would change a thing. UK and Spain (who i would say would have failed as well due to the juries) being in your semi might possibly have changed things with more spread in the voting, but I doubt that as well.

 

[GRE]

Because they are the most recent ones. Even adding 2010 Sweden should still get 837 points which are better than any other country the latest 5 years.

But if we add 2009,
Azerbaijan is over Sweden

 

[SuperGirl]

I think SuperGirl is an example of fans who like to overexagerate Sweden's Eurovision performance in recent years anyway. Sure, in the last 4 years only one entry has come outside the top 10 (2013), but before that we have:
- non-qualification (when they thought they were going to win, again)
- 21st
- 18th
- 18th
- 5th
- 19th
- 5th
- 5th
- 8th
- 5th
- 7th

Apart from the 5th places which drag things up a bit, you wouldnt call it a sparkling record.

I never said Sweden had been good all the time either. But the latest years Sweden has been best. Also since UK won their last win Sweden has 2 victories.

Funny is that even in that bad period Sweden had many better places than UK in the recent times.

 

[SuperGirl]

Yes the big 5 isn't perfect, but forcing them into the semi's will force them all to take the competition absolutely serious without question. The BBC said they couldn't possibly give eurovision a prime time television slot if they fail to make the final. All it will do is give the countries who struggle enough like San Marino, Slovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Belgium & Portugal even more competition to stand up against with. Even with 12 countries qualifying instead of 10. In 2010 yes the UK would have failed to qualify without question, but you don't know which big 4's would be in with Sweden. Germany and France, then i doubt it would change a thing. UK and Spain (who i would say would have failed as well due to the juries) being in your semi might possibly have changed things with more spread in the voting, but I doubt that as well.

I agree with you.

Still it's unfair in scoreboards. The big 5 will most likely get points in every ESC but other countries will miss points if they don't qualify.

What I mean is, scoreboards like in OP will never be fair.

 

[SuperGirl]

But if we add 2009,
Azerbaijan is over Sweden

Agreed. But if the 4 latest years can't be count then why should 6 years be counts? 5 years make most sense.

 

[SuperGirl]

It's not the number of countries but the average amount of points collected, for example Azerbaijan will have a very low average despite it's win. The UK currently holds the crown for the highest average amount of points. In 1976 we got an average of 9.76 points, only Norway in 2009 got close to this being short of beating us by 0.20 points. It's unlikely we will ever be beaten as well due to the number of countries competing.

This is not fair either. It's easier to get close to point totals when 10 countries participating than 35+. How is this fair?

 

[SuperGirl]

[MENTION=14000]SuperGirl[/MENTION],
lets take a fact.
Eurovision will NEVER be absolutelly fair.
I will give you an exaple of the new scoreboard.
In 1964, when Italy won, each country could give 5-3-1 points to their 3 favorite songs.
I have just changed 5-3-1 points to the curent system 12-10-8.

I agree. So why make a new list?? Do you want UK to look better? Lol.

 

[Leydan]

I agree. So why make a new list?? Do you want UK to look better? Lol.

Because the current list doesn't make those changes so it is fair across all 60 years. The new one will.