All time scoreboard (1957-2014)

[SuperGirl]

In those decades,were participating 12-19 Countries (all European Countries except 1-3).Ireland,UK,Luxemburg,France & Netherlands were the most common winning countries...
After 1995(maybe earlier) joined post-Soviet & Balkan countries..
Since then none of the basic European Countries won the Competition(without worth it)
When Azerbaijan made its debut,were participating over 35 countries and the results Azerbaijan has managed is among several countries!

Excuse me, but what do you mean with this???

Still it's very small sample. So Azerbaijan is the best esc country only participating 7 years? Lol!

 

[KonstOik]

That,back then every country was voting always the same countries.(There are exceptions as always)
Take as an example Turkey(made its debut in 1975).
Every year was receiving one of the three last places.
**I was not in life those years..so it's just my thought from the searches i 've done.
Yes it is (In my opinion)
6/7 success

 

[NemesisNick]

I see what's been done. Whoever created this at Just another light has simply added up the scores for each country from 1957 to 2014, e.g. all the scores for the UK over those years. Evidently whoever did this has not counted semi-final scores since 2004, because I just added up the scores for Slovenia, excluding semi-final scores 2004 onwards and got the same result shown for Slovenia in the scoreboard.

The above ranking is somewhat misleading though for several reasons.
1) The scoring system changed several times between 1957 and 1975, and the number of countries voting has grown over the years.
a) In 1957 Netherlands won with just 31 points. Although there were only 10 countries that year, hence Netherlands could only receive points from 9 other countries it wasn't the 1-12 point system used now. That year each country had 10 jury members who each awarded 1 point to their favourite song. Although in theory all 10 members of one jury could give their point to the same song, and hence end up giving 10 points to that one country and nothing to the rest, I don't think that happened in 1957 or the other years that system was used. In fact 31 points was one of the highest winning scores in the years that system was used, beaten only by France 1960 and Ireland 1970 (both 32 points) and UK 1967 on 47 points. At the other extreme the France, UK, Netherlands and Spain each won with just 18 points in 1969!

b) From 1971 to 1973, each country had 2 jury members who each awarded 5-1 points to every song. So in 1971 when 18 countries entered, the minimum possible score any country could finish on was 34 (2 points from each of the other 17 countries). As it happened, bottom placed Malta finished on 52 points that year.

c) Even under the present 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-10-12 point system used since 1975 you have to bear in mind that the number of countries voting has generally increased over the years. In 1975 there were 19 countries, hence the maximum possible score was 18 x 12 = 216 points (Netherlands won with 152 points that year). By 2003 there were 26 countries, and hence the maximum possible score was 25 x 12 = 300 points (Turkey won with 167 points that year). The biggest increase in the number of countries voting was in 2004 when non-qualifying semi-finalists started voting in the final, that year there were 36 countries voting in the final and hence a maximum achievable score of 35 x 12 = 420 points. As it happened Ukraine won with 280 points. Even so low placed countries have still ended up with single digit results, last placed Norway got just 3 points in 2004. In 2009, 42 countries voted, hence the achievable maximum was 41 x 12 = 492; Norway won with 387 points and Finland were last with 22 points.

2) Some countries have been in the ESC since the late 1950s, whereas others started entering since the introduction of semi-finals in 2004. One of the most recent debuants was San Marino in 2008 and failed to qualify. After their 2009 and 2010 absences, they failed to qualify 2011 to 2013, and first reached the final scoring 14 points in 2014. Azerbaijan who also debuted in 2008 have had much more success 2008 to 2014. They won with 221 points in 2011 (which was low considering that, with 42 countries voting, they could have achieved a maximum of 504 points) and were automatically in the 2012 ESC Final. Each of the other years they've participated so far they've qualified to the final and, apart from 2014, had top 10 places. This scoreboard takes no account of the number of years a country has entered, though bear in mind that long runners such as Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, France were present all the years the voting system described in 1a above was used, and hence got low scores those years, whereas Azerbaijan has received all its points 2008 to 2014 when the 1-12 system is in use and they've been able to receive points from at least 36 other countries (sometimes over 40).

Quite simply, the scores from the early years cannot be compared with 2004 onwards when a country has been able to receive 1 to 12 points from 35+ other countries. Simply adding up each country's scores (finals only) over the years to produce a scoreboard like the one above is not the best way of showing each country's performance in the history of the ESC.

 

[SuperGirl]

Sweden is the most successful country the last 5 years. We have 837 points in the finals during this time. I don't think any country can match that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This is impressive. Sweden won our first victory in 1974 but is still damn competive today.

 

[KonstOik]

Sweden:837(i'm sorry - i'm mistaken - I didn't want it) points the last 4 years.In 2010 failed to qualify...
Azerbaijan,the last 7 years (Never failed since made its debut,that's why i believe is the most successful country in ESC ) 1122 points.
And.. the last 1 year,the most successful country is Austria with 290 p. lol

 

[SuperGirl]

Sweden:677 points the last 4 years.In 2010 failed to qualify...
Azerbaijan,the last 7 years(since made its debut)1122 points.
And.. the last 1 year,the most successful country is Austria wit 290 p. lol

Stop lying: Sweden had 837 points the latest 4 years. Not 677 as you want it. Yes Sweden missed the final 2010 but still we have more points in the final than Azerbaijan the latest 5 years.

In the latest 7 years Sweden has 968 points. Not that far away from Azerbaijan as you think is the most successful country in the ESC history. Still, we have a successful past in ESC unlike Azerbaijan with 5 victories.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Sweden:677 points the last 4 years.In 2010 failed to qualify...
Azerbaijan,the last 7 years(since made its debut)1122 points.
And.. the last 1 year,the most successful country is Austria wit 290 p. lol

I could be wrong but I think Azerbaijan ended outside the top 10 in the semi-final televote in 2014 which Sweden did not in 2010.
And don't try to give Azerbaijan all this '' 1122 points '' credit when all of the songs that ended up in the top 5 are Swedish! So ha!

 

[SuperGirl]

I could be wrong but I think Azerbaijan ended outside the top 10 in the semi-final televote which Sweden did not in 2010.
And don't try to give Azerbaijan all this '' 1122 points '' credit when all of the songs that ended up in the top 5 are Swedish! So ha!

Ha ha!!! Sweden rules!!!!!!!!! xrockout

 

[Carrie]

Sweden can be the best at Eurovision (or claim to be, as the UK is statistically the best country), but our music industry has dominated the world for years, and it's only getting better.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Sweden can be the best at Eurovision (or claim to be, as the UK is statistically the best country), but our music industry has dominated the world for years, and it's only getting better.

With no doubt, United Kingdom is a big producer of the todays big music industry. Don't forget that USA is #1 (and Sweden is #3 )

 

[SuperGirl]

With no doubt, United Kingdom is a big producer of the todays big music industry. Don't forget that USA is #1 (and Sweden is #3 )

Actually Sweden is #1 if we look at capita.

 

[penguinperson]

Sweden is the most successful country the last 5 years. We have 837 points in the finals during this time. I don't think any country can match that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This is impressive. Sweden won our first victory in 1974 but is still damn competive today.

As NemesisNick says you are comparing raw figures without looking at how voting has changed over time including number of participants.

If we look at the percentage Sweden has got over the last 4 years in terms of maximum points Sweden could have recieved we get an average of 44.08%, which is impresive. However two four year periods did spring to mind instantly which I thought could beat this figure. Ireland 1991-1994 which is an average of 56.18% and The United Kingdom 1975-1978, the average here was 57.58%. In the modern era of the contest Sweden's four year run is good, but not unmatched within the history of the contest.

 

[k95]

Quite simply, the scores from the early years cannot be compared with 2004 onwards when a country has been able to receive 1 to 12 points from 35+ other countries. Simply adding up each country's scores (finals only) over the years to produce a scoreboard like the one above is not the best way of showing each country's performance in the history of the ESC.

So you say that a new scoreboard should be done according to the present system, right? Starting when, 1975, 1998 or 2004? Or maybe a scoreboard with the mean of every country?

I think that public vote changed some things, but it's undeniable that some countries take the festival more seriously, and because of that, get more points for the effort (occasional bottom included). Sweden and Azerbaijan get many points from that (Different kinds of effort, and I'm not trying to insult anyone, OK?)

 

[SuperGirl]

As NemesisNick says you are comparing raw figures without looking at how voting has changed over time including number of participants.

If we look at the percentage Sweden has got over the last 4 years in terms of maximum points Sweden could have recieved we get an average of 44.08%, which is impresive. However two four year periods did spring to mind instantly which I thought could beat this figure. Ireland 1991-1994 which is an average of 56.18% and The United Kingdom 1975-1978, the average here was 57.58%. In the modern era of the contest Sweden's four year run is good, but not unmatched within the history of the contest.

I think you misunderstand me or my english is very bad. What I meant is that I don't think any country can match Sweden's numbers the last 5 years. Is there any country which have more than 837 the latest 5 years? That's my points. I know the voting system is totally different today.

 

[penguinperson]

I think you misunderstand me or my english is very bad. What I meant is that I don't think any country can match Sweden's numbers the last 5 years. Is there any country which have more than 837 the latest 5 years? That's my points. I know the voting system is totally different today.

In the last 5 years alone no. Proportionally the figure can be beaten in previous contests over the same period.

 

[SuperGirl]

I see many people from UK complain about the voting system is different today. While it is different that's not the reason on why UK probably will lose their top spot. The problem is that UK isn't any good right now. UK's results are very bad compared to Sweden's recent results. Sweden in the last 4 years has won 837 points. UK only has 175 points. Since the UK's last win Sweden has two victories. That's the problem for UK. Every rankings with all time scoring have their flaws. I don't think there are any ranking that is completely fair.

 

[GRE]

I see what's been done. Whoever created this at Just another light has simply added up the scores for each country from 1957 to 2014, e.g. all the scores for the UK over those years. Evidently whoever did this has not counted semi-final scores since 2004, because I just added up the scores for Slovenia, excluding semi-final scores 2004 onwards and got the same result shown for Slovenia in the scoreboard.

The above ranking is somewhat misleading though for several reasons.
1) The scoring system changed several times between 1957 and 1975, and the number of countries voting has grown over the years.
a) In 1957 Netherlands won with just 31 points. Although there were only 10 countries that year, hence Netherlands could only receive points from 9 other countries it wasn't the 1-12 point system used now. That year each country had 10 jury members who each awarded 1 point to their favourite song. Although in theory all 10 members of one jury could give their point to the same song, and hence end up giving 10 points to that one country and nothing to the rest, I don't think that happened in 1957 or the other years that system was used. In fact 31 points was one of the highest winning scores in the years that system was used, beaten only by France 1960 and Ireland 1970 (both 32 points) and UK 1967 on 47 points. At the other extreme the France, UK, Netherlands and Spain each won with just 18 points in 1969!

b) From 1971 to 1973, each country had 2 jury members who each awarded 5-1 points to every song. So in 1971 when 18 countries entered, the minimum possible score any country could finish on was 34 (2 points from each of the other 17 countries). As it happened, bottom placed Malta finished on 52 points that year.

c) Even under the present 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-10-12 point system used since 1975 you have to bear in mind that the number of countries voting has generally increased over the years. In 1975 there were 19 countries, hence the maximum possible score was 18 x 12 = 216 points (Netherlands won with 152 points that year). By 2003 there were 26 countries, and hence the maximum possible score was 25 x 12 = 300 points (Turkey won with 167 points that year). The biggest increase in the number of countries voting was in 2004 when non-qualifying semi-finalists started voting in the final, that year there were 36 countries voting in the final and hence a maximum achievable score of 35 x 12 = 420 points. As it happened Ukraine won with 280 points. Even so low placed countries have still ended up with single digit results, last placed Norway got just 3 points in 2004. In 2009, 42 countries voted, hence the achievable maximum was 41 x 12 = 492; Norway won with 387 points and Finland were last with 22 points.

2) Some countries have been in the ESC since the late 1950s, whereas others started entering since the introduction of semi-finals in 2004. One of the most recent debuants was San Marino in 2008 and failed to qualify. After their 2009 and 2010 absences, they failed to qualify 2011 to 2013, and first reached the final scoring 14 points in 2014. Azerbaijan who also debuted in 2008 have had much more success 2008 to 2014. They won with 221 points in 2011 (which was low considering that, with 42 countries voting, they could have achieved a maximum of 504 points) and were automatically in the 2012 ESC Final. Each of the other years they've participated so far they've qualified to the final and, apart from 2014, had top 10 places. This scoreboard takes no account of the number of years a country has entered, though bear in mind that long runners such as Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, France were present all the years the voting system described in 1a above was used, and hence got low scores those years, whereas Azerbaijan has received all its points 2008 to 2014 when the 1-12 system is in use and they've been able to receive points from at least 36 other countries (sometimes over 40).

Quite simply, the scores from the early years cannot be compared with 2004 onwards when a country has been able to receive 1 to 12 points from 35+ other countries. Simply adding up each country's scores (finals only) over the years to produce a scoreboard like the one above is not the best way of showing each country's performance in the history of the ESC.

You are absolutely right.
Thats why i am preparing a new scoreboard,
where i will convert the given points from 1957-1974 to the current voting system (12-10-8)

 

[NemesisNick]

I've just looked at

I wonder if the points of Yugoslavia should be splitted to the seperated countries...The same for Serbia & Montenegro.

I've just looked at the complete list of scores for Yugoslavia 1961 to 1992 on the Yugoslavia page of the Eurovision website. That just lists all Yugoslavia's appearances as one list, no matter which present day constituent (Croatia etc.) the artist came from in a given year. However page 192 of the book The Eurovision Song Contest 50 Years The Official History - John Kennedy O'Connor lists Yugoslavia's entries as Yugoslavia (Bosnia-Herzegovina), Yugoslaiva (Croatia), etc. I've looked at that page of that book to group together the years in which Yugoslaiva's artist came from Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, etc. as follows. Each year is accompanied by the end-of-contest points total, and I've calculated a total for each constituent. As you can see, the totals vary considerably, partly helped by 11 Yugoslav entries were from Croatian artists, whereas only one was by a Montenegrin artist.

Bosnia & Herzegovina
1964(0), 1965(2), 1973(65), 1976(10), 1981(35) TOTAL 112.

Croatia
1963(3), 1968(8), 1969(5), 1971(68), 1972(87), 1983(125), 1986(49), 1987(92), 1988(87), 1989(137), 1990(81) TOTAL 742.

Montenegro
1984(26) TOTAL 26.

Serbia
1974(6), 1982(21), 1991(1), 1992(44) TOTAL 72.

Slovenia
1961(9), 1962(10), 1966(9), 1967(7), 1970(4), 1975(22) TOTAL 61.

Adding these constituent totals to the totals of present day Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia etc. is wrong on two counts:
1) No matter which part of Yugoslavia the artist came from in a given year, from 1961 to 1992 the song represented the whole of Yugoslaiva, not just the applicable constituent. For example, Yugoslavia's only victory in 1989 still belongs to Yugoslavia, not Croatia.
2) Even though Yugoslavia's national selection could feature contestants from different Yugoslav contituents, Yugoslavia could still only have one song in the ESC 1961 to 1992 (just like Greece, France etc.). In all those years Yugoslavia did NOT have a special privilege to send five separate songs (one by an artist from each of its five constituents), whereas since the break-up present day Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia can all send separate entries.

For statistical purposes you need to list Yugoslavia's total and the post 1992 derivative countries' totals separately. As far as Eurovision is concerned, Yugoslavia existed up until 1992, the others didn't exist then. From 1993 the other derivative countries have existed (Serbia & Montenegro split after ESC 2006) and Yugoslaiva no longer exists.

Likewise Serbia & Montenegro should be kept as yet another separate country. I know it was short lived, with just two entries 2004 and 2005 (they voted but didn't sing in 2006), but you can't add those scores to either Serbia's total or Montenegro's total, nor Yugoslavia's total.

 

[GRE]

[MENTION=11521]NemesisNick[/MENTION],
thank you for your advice.
But i will do it my way

 

[NemesisNick]

Thats why i am preparing a new scoreboard,
where i will convert the given points from 1957-1974 to the current voting system (12-10-8)

That will be easier said than done. I'll go through the five different systems used 1957 to 1974. I'll start with the three systems of 1962 to 1966 as they'll be the easiest.

1962
Each country awarded 3, 2 and 1 points to its top 3
I suggest you map them as follows:
1 → 8
2 → 10
3 → 12

1963
Each country awarded 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point to its top 5
I suggest you map them as follows:
1 → 6
2 → 7
3 → 8
4 → 10
5 → 12

1964 to 1966
Each country awarded 5, 3 and 1 point to its top 3
I suggest you map them as follows:
1 → 8
3 → 10
5 → 12

This system had the additional twist that if a jury chose just two songs, they awarded their top song 6 points and second song 3 points. That only ever happened once in the 3 years this system existed; in 1965 Belgium gave 6 points to UK and 3 points to Italy. In that case I suggest you convert the 6 to 12 and 3 to 10. It was even possible for a jury to give 9 points to one song, but that never happened.

The remaining two systems will be a difficult problem.

1971 to 1973
Each country had two jury members, each of whom each awarded 1 to 5 points for each song immediately after it was performed (but not their own country's song). Thus under this system, each country had to give a total between 2 and 10 points to every song other than its own. Valid scores a country could award were 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. However there was only one way the senior and junior judge from each country could total 2 points (1+1) or 10 points (5+5), but 5 ways of totalling 6 points.

This system will be much more difficult to convert, I don't think you'll be able to do it. Not every country gave one country the minimum score of 2 and another country maximum 10. Some countries gave mostly low scores and some gave a lot of high scores. In 1971 the most Luxembourg gave was 5 points to Portugal. Apart from that, they gave 4 points each to Monaco, Spain and UK, and 2 points to the rest. How will you convert that? to It was possible to give 10 to more than one country, e.g. in 1971 Belgium gave 10 to Monaco and 10 to Finland. How will you handle that? I suggest you look at the scoreboards for 1971 to 1973 on Eurovision Song Contest to see what I mean.

1957 - 1961, 1967 - 1970 and 1974
Each country had 10 jury members each awarded 1 point to their favourite song. So it was possible for one country to give 10 points to one other country's song (and hence nothing to any others) or 1 point each to 10 songs but I don't think those extremes ever happened. In 1961 France gave points to 7 other countries (four 1s and three 2s) but Switzerland gave points to just four countries (7 to UK, and 1 each to Monaco, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg). Study the results tables of those years to see what I mean. I really don't think it's possible to convert such a variable system to the current marking scheme; it's so unlike the current system of 10 fixed values to award to 10 other countries. Since valid values to award to another country were anything between 1 and 10, you could leave 1 to 8 unchanged and convert 9 to 10 and 10 to 12. The trouble is I can't see any instances of 10 being given to one country these years, and I've found only two instances of 9 points to one country, so most scores would remain unchanged if you did that.