TURKEY 2013 - not taking part

[CC92]

Biased juries ??? Tss... one year, one country is favoured, one year not... It was said it would benefit only for Big-5 and western countries... Indeed, one of the countries that benefited most of the jury vote is Ukraine... Juries loved Alyosha, Gaitana, and they will love Zlata also... Though before juries Ukraine was on top also...

Or for instance as for us :
2009 (Patricia Kaas) : public : 17 / jury : 4 / both : 8
2010 (Jessy Matador) : public : 8 / jury : 22 / both : 12
2011 (Amaury Vassili) : public : 15 / jury : 11 / both : 11
2012 (Anggun) : public : 26 / jury : 13 / both : 22

Public remains sovereign but it gives fairer things. And it gave us less freak shows in the semis... And for instance, I preferred to see Getter Jaani qualifying rather than "I love Belarus"...

How do these numbers contradict my points? They are biased in favour of show-off vocals and grand divas which is clearly shown in them. And as it's now the public isn't the souvereign anymore but they should be because they (and not the jurors) are the ones that pay for the event. Ukraine is diligently catering to the jury's preferences but TRT don't want to step into their shows and that ought to be respected.
As for Rockefeller street, in mine opinion this is one of the worst songs ever performed on ESC stage and a lot worse than Belarus. You see, taste differs.

Turkey has about 75 million citizens, France around 65 millions. But regardless of economical advantages, it is against the basic principle of fair play.

 

[amateur]

TRT withdrew because of political reasons and they will stay out until the political climate changes.

 

[julien4ESC]

TRT withdrew because of political reasons and they will stay out until the political climate changes.

And that's a good thing, we don't want Turkey back I think. The diaspora vote will be smaller without them.

 

[sistem]

Deniz Cem, a turkish singer submited a song in the Romanian preselection

 

[DanielLuis]

And that's a good thing, we don't want Turkey back I think. The diaspora vote will be smaller without them.

I have bad feeling however, that the turkish diaspora might vote for Azerbaijan.

 

[A-lister]

I have bad feeling however, that the turkish diaspora might vote for Azerbaijan.

We'll see... I somehow have a feeling that many of the Turkish diaspora won't even tune into ESC this year...

 

[DanielLuis]

We'll see... I somehow have a feeling that many of the Turkish diaspora won't even tune into ESC this year...

I just hope they tune in, and vote for the song they like the most.

 

[Nike]

I just hope they tune in, and vote for the song they like the most.

Since when do they vote for the song they like most?? They vote for their neighbours no matter which song they have. I'm happy Turkey is out.

 

[A-lister]

I just hope they tune in, and vote for the song they like the most.

Yeah, that'd be a new one

 

[Impressive]

Since when do they vote for the song they like most?? They vote for their neighbours no matter which song they have. I'm happy Turkey is out.

* A mirror appears *
Doesn't sound so similiar by yourself?
Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How ironic
Well, Turkey is the one that voting to neighboors. Would you be happy when Denmark is out?
There is a huge problem already neighbour-voting. Only one is out. It changes EVERYTHING now...

 

[Nike]

* A mirror appears *
Doesn't sound so similiar by yourself?
Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How ironic
Well, Turkey is the one that voting to neighboors. Would you be happy when Denmark is out?
There is a huge problem already neighbour-voting. Only one is out. It changes EVERYTHING now...

Yes but I dont complain against the juries who is supposed to help against the neighbour and diaspora votes.

Also Sweden Denmark aren't like Azerbaijan Turkey with their ridiculous neighbour and diaspora voting. They give each other 12 points every year. Denmark and Sweden don't do that.

 

[Impressive]

Yes but I dont complain against the juries who is supposed to help against the neighbour and diaspora votes.

Also Sweden Denmark aren't like Azerbaijan Turkey with their ridiculous neighbour and diaspora voting. They give each other 12 points every year. Denmark and Sweden don't do that.

It's only reason is there are more than 2 countries; Iceland, Norway etc. which means some year you hit Iceland, some year Sweden, some year Norway, nothing changes, again neighbour support. If Turkey and Azerbaijan could have more than two Turkish countries, nothing would be different.

 

[toinou03]

It's only reason is there are more than 2 countries; Iceland, Norway etc. which means some year you hit Iceland, some year Sweden, some year Norway, nothing changes, again neighbour support. If Turkey and Azerbaijan could have more than two Turkish countries, nothing would be different.

Actually, last year for instance Norway didn't receive points from Denmark or Denmark didn't have points from Sweden. It's not like Turkey and Azerbaidjan or Greece and Cyprus exchanging 12 points no matter what, but well that doesn't make the scoreboard !

But as far as I know, people I know who don't follow Eurovision seriously only watch carefully the neighbouring countries because they are a priori not interested in listening to a Moldovan or a Macedonian song... And for instance people in France will be attracted by an Italian or a Spanish song easier than by a croatian singer they don't know. The same goes for anyone...

But Turkey isn't to be blamed. Each year I'm ashamed of watching French voting !

 

[Nike]

It's only reason is there are more than 2 countries; Iceland, Norway etc. which means some year you hit Iceland, some year Sweden, some year Norway, nothing changes, again neighbour support. If Turkey and Azerbaijan could have more than two Turkish countries, nothing would be different.

Last year Sweden gave 3 points to Norway in the final. And that was the only points Sweden gave to the Nordic countries at all in the final. No points to Denmark and Iceland. Where's the neighbour voting you are talking about?

If you logic should work then we should have give Denmark, Finland, Norway and Iceland 12, 10 and 08 every year and vice versa ... but we don't

 

[Impressive]

Actually, last year for instance Norway didn't receive points from Denmark or Denmark didn't have points from Sweden. It's not like Turkey and Azerbaidjan or Greece and Cyprus exchanging 12 points no matter what, but well that doesn't make the scoreboard !

But as far as I know, people I know who don't follow Eurovision seriously only watch carefully the neighbouring countries because they are a priori not interested in listening to a Moldovan or a Macedonian song... And for instance people in France will be attracted by an Italian or a Spanish song easier than by a croatian singer they don't know. The same goes for anyone...

But Turkey isn't to be blamed. Each year I'm ashamed of watching French voting !

This is exactly what I'm trying to say! Turkey acts politic on results, but some poeple talking like Turkey is the only country that acting politic. There is no reason to be happy only because of that.

Last year Sweden gave 3 points to Norway in the final. And that was the only points Sweden gave to the Nordic countries at all in the final. No points to Denmark and Iceland. Where's the neighbour voting you are talking about?

If you logic should work then we should have give Denmark, Finland, Norway and Iceland 12, 10 and 08 every year and vice versa ... but we don't

Think about it again.

12 points since 2004;
2004 - Sweden
2005 - Norway
2006 - Finland
2007 - Sweden
2008 - Iceland
2009 - Norway
2010 - Germany (Jury votes joined)
2011 - Ireland (10 for Sweden!)
2012 - Sweden

Before 2004;
2 times for Iceland
4 times for Sweden
Once for Norway

Top Denmark voters since 2004;
1. Sweden
2. Iceland
3. Turkey
4. Norway

Top voters for Denmark since 2004;
1. Sweden
2. Iceland
3. Ireland
4. Norway

Top voters for Denmark before 2004;
1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden

And still Turkey & Azerbaijan votes are riskier than Scandinav votes?

 

[A-lister]

Think about it again.
12 points since 2004;
2004 - Sweden
2005 - Norway
2006 - Finland
2007 - Sweden
2008 - Iceland
2009 - Norway
2010 - Germany (Jury votes joined)
2011 - Ireland
2012 - Sweden

Huh? What exactly are these numbers suppose to mean?

Sweden's 12-pointers since 2004:

2004: Serbia & Montenegro
2005: Greece
2006: Finland (neighbor)
2007: Finland (neighbor)
2008: Norway (neighbor)
2009: Norway (neighbor) <- first year with juries in final
2010: Germany
2011: Ireland
2012: Cyprus

Let's compare it with Turkey's and Azeri's 12-pointers since Azerbaijan joined the contest:

2008: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2009: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2010: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2011: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother in semi, Azerbaijan gets the Turkish 12-points in the final
2012: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother

.... but yeah, let's pretend the Scandinavian voting patterns are similar as the BLATANT politically-religiously-culturally motivated voting by Turkey...

 

[Impressive]

Huh? What exactly are these numbers suppose to mean?

Sweden's 12-pointers since 2004:

2004: Serbia & Montenegro
2005: Greece
2006: Finland (neighbor)
2007: Finland (neighbor)
2008: Norway (neighbor)
2009: Norway (neighbor) <- first year with juries in final
2010: Germany
2011: Ireland
2012: Cyprus

Let's compare it with Turkey's and Azeri's 12-pointers since Azerbaijan joined the contest:

2008: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2009: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2010: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother
2011: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother in semi, Azerbaijan gets the Turkish 12-points in the final
2012: Turkey - Azerbaijan: 12-points to eachother

In 2005, only Sweden and Norway were in final. 8 points from Sweden to Norway. (1/1)
In 2006, Norway, Denmark, Sweden in final. 8 from Sweden to Denmark. 2 from Sweden to Norway. (2/2)
In 2007, Finland, Sweden in final. No point for Finland. (0/1)
In 2008, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway in final. 12 for Norway, 5 for Denmark, 8 for Iceland, 7 for Finland. (4/4)
In 2009, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Finland, Norway in final. 12 for Norway, 10 for Iceland, 4 for Finland (3/4).
In 2010, Norway, Iceland, Denmark in final. 8 for Denmark, 4 for Norway. (2/3)
In 2011, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland in final. 7 for Finland, 10 for Denmark, 1 for Iceland (3/3).
In 2012, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland in final. 3 for Norway. (1/3).

Like I said, it's only non-top3 reason is there are more than 2 countries to vote for each other. 2012 is the only year that Sweden gave less than half qualifiers of Scandiny.

 

[A-lister]

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As I said, let's pretend.

Turkey and Azerbaijan gives their 12-pointers regardless, so whatever "proof" you're trying to come up with it doesn't change this fact. Turkey - Azerbaijan are the new Greece - Cyprus and that's just it.

 

[Impressive]

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As I said, let's pretend.

Turkey and Azerbaijan gives their 12-pointers regardless, so whatever "proof" you're trying to come up with it doesn't change this fact. Turkey - Azerbaijan are the new Greece - Cyprus and that's just it.

I said that already;
Turkey acts politic on results, this is the truth and I am not denying that. But Turkey is not the one in politics. The situation in Balkan countries or in Scandinav countries not different so much. So, politic result's victims aren't only from a 12 between Turkey and Azerbaijan. People should check out on mirror themselves.

Before whole things, I am not the one revived points. I just answered.

 

[A-lister]

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I'd hardly call the Scandinavian voting "political". I wouldn't compare these voting patterns to eachother, I just find it away to make up excuses for the other.