TURKEY 2013 - not taking part

[LalehForWD]

OT but so what? No offense but why would it be such a bigger loss to ESC with The UK or France leaving butthurt for not qualifying than Turkey or Portugal being left out? I bet even Moldova (poorest country in Europe) could easily put the fee given by Britain.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

OT but so what? No offense but why would it be such a bigger loss to ESC with The UK or France leaving butthurt for not qualifying than Turkey or Portugal being left out? I bet even Moldova (poorest country in Europe) could easily put the fee given by Britain.

It's not just about money it's about the cultural weight of countries too. If France left, it would be a major blow to Eurovision, whereas there wont be much difference without Turkey, Portugal or Moldova. You can just see how terrible JESC has become for instance since the United Kingdom and France stopped participating.

 

[A-lister]

It's not just about money it's about the cultural weight of countries too. If France left, it would be a major blow to Eurovision, whereas there wont be much difference without Turkey, Portugal or Moldova. You can just see how terrible JESC has become for instance since the United Kingdom and France stopped participating.

Yeah, because the UK brings such 'high quality culture' with the likes of Daz Sampson and Scooch?

So you really think the UK and France are more worthy countries then? Sorry but little poor Moldova have been adding more to this contest than the UK has done in the past decade.

jESC has always been cr*p, with or without the UK and France, it's blasphemy to even compare that with the real big ESC.

 

[LalehForWD]

It's not just about money it's about the cultural weight of countries too. If France left, it would be a major blow to Eurovision, whereas there wont be much difference without Turkey, Portugal or Moldova. You can just see how terrible JESC has become for instance since the United Kingdom and France stopped participating.

"cultural weight"? Haha, very funny! ;D 1800s colonial thinking again?
If you cannot take a loss in the semis without storming out of the contest, well ... I don't know what to think.

 

[A-lister]

"cultural weight"? Haha, very funny! ;D 1800s colonial thinking again?
If you cannot take a loss in the semis without storming out of the contest, well ... I don't know what to think.

Well, to give him some cred though, that's exactly the behavior of TRT now.

 

[LalehForWD]

But they didn't lose, did they? To be honest Turkey have shown very hardy patience in the past.

 

[A-lister]

But they didn't lose, did they? To be honest Turkey have shown very hardy patience in the past.

TRT drops out because they want those 100% televoting years back or be placed directly in the final (Big 6 status) or both of those, this based on TWO years failures during the past years where they didn't qualify with one song and didn't get jury love with another. Alot of countries have been dealing with such issues throughout the contest's history, so it's very disrespectful of TRT and childish to act like this.

It's true they showed patience in the past, but one would lie if they think that Turkey deserved all those diaspora votes during the 00's-10's also.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

If France left, Eurovision would be hanging on by a thread. If the United Kingdom and France both left, it would finish, no doubt. That's why the Big status will never end, and why our plans - like bringing back the juries - are usually put in place .

 

[Franco]

it's about the cultural weight of countries too.

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If France left, it would be a major blow to Eurovision, whereas there wont be much difference without Turkey, Portugal or Moldova.

I don't think so. Italy left for some years and ESC survived well and grow. Why? Because Italy continued to pay its fee to EBU. At the end of the day, it's all about money.
If UK left, on the other hand, THAT would be a big loss, because we would miss the Graham Norton commentary on Youtube the day after the final.

 

[toinou03]

Well, and afterwards, let's get back to Turkey, can't you understand the symbol ? It was the same with Italy. EBU did all what it could to get back historical countries in the contest like Italy, or Austria or even Monaco, because it is part of the history of the contest.
If we'd withdraw, the loss wouldn't be the horrible songs we send or boring singers like Engelbert Humperdinck... But anyways, you can't deny that France, UK, Germany and Italy represent a big something in Europe, more than any other countries, not because we would be superior but because we have a very important population. You can't put Germany and Malta the same ! Plus, we created the contest, and we pay with the 4 others countries of the Big 5 more than the 35 other countries altogether.

On the other hand, I find ridiculous situations like 2005 with the Big 4 in the 4 last places and France Télévision poor efforts with always being in the final. I'd prefer it would be different but things are just like that, and without Big 5, you would have France, Italy and UK out, so that you would'nt have any Eurovision any more.

 

[A-lister]

If France left, Eurovision would be hanging on by a thread. If the United Kingdom and France both left, it would finish, no doubt. That's why the Big status will never end, and why our plans - like bringing back the juries - are usually put in place .

Well, you are worth to this contest money-wise, but don't think you're more worthy competitors than other countries (because on the contrary you have proven not to be really, and the fact you need biased juries to help you out when you won't bother sending strong enough entries is telling enough... although they didn't really help you that much anyways ironically).

 

[LalehForWD]

If France left, Eurovision would be hanging on by a thread. If the United Kingdom and France both left, it would finish, no doubt. That's why the Big status will never end, and why our plans - like bringing back the juries - are usually put in place .

I have to disappoint you to say few in Sweden would notice and Melodifestivalen would run as usual. The day England regularly contribute with something at least decent to the contest, you may be missed perhaps. Sorry.

 

[A-lister]

Well, and afterwards, let's get back to Turkey, can't you understand the symbol ? It was the same with Italy. EBU did all what it could to get back historical countries in the contest like Italy, or Austria or even Monaco, because it is part of the history of the contest.
If we'd withdraw, the loss wouldn't be the horrible songs we send or boring singers like Engelbert Humperdinck... But anyways, you can't deny that France, UK, Germany and Italy represent a big something in Europe, more than any other countries, not because we would be superior but because we have a very important population. You can't put Germany and Malta the same ! Plus, we created the contest, and we pay with the 4 others countries of the Big 5 more than the 35 other countries altogether.

The concept of Eurovision is countries competing on equal terms, it should be about the songs and not whether you are politically important or not.

If we would only look at populations then Russia and Turkey are more important then because they are simply bigger countries than the UK, France and Italy.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

To be brutally honest, Spain and Italy are definitely the lesser members of the Big 5. If the rule was created fresh now, I think that it would just be the Big 3.

The fact is that the EBU will do anything to keep us in the contest, because they know that without us, the contest wouldnt take place at all. Some people dont like this fact, and thus disrespect us.

 

[A-lister]

To be brutally honest, Spain and Italy are definitely the lesser members of the Big 5. If the rule was created fresh now, I think that it would just be the Big 3.

The fact is that the EBU will do anything to keep us in the contest, because they know that without us, the contest wouldnt take place at all. Some people dont like this fact, and thus disrespect us.

Lesser in what way?

 

[escandesc]

No we dont want the Big system abolished, but the point is that it must remain "exclusive", and so it would work for Russia to join, but Turkey no.

What about Norway or Sweden?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Lesser in what way?

Well last time the financial contributions were revealed, the United Kingdom, France then Germany paid a lot more than anybody else. Id imagine that that's even more so the case these days seeing as neither Italy nor Spain has any money.

And they have a much reduced cultural and musical impact on Europe than the other 3 do.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

What about Norway or Sweden?

Of course they should not be able to become Big countries. If anybody could join, there's no point in having the rule at all!

 

[A-lister]

Of course they should not be able to become Big countries. If anybody could join, there's no point in having the rule at all!

So the fact that Sweden contributes way more than most countries / capita to this and Swedish know-how and technical work have been working on many of the ESC editions are not important then?

 

[A-lister]

Well last time the financial contributions were revealed, the United Kingdom, France then Germany paid a lot more than anybody else. Id imagine that that's even more so the case these days seeing as neither Italy nor Spain has any money.

Fair enough

And they have a much reduced cultural and musical impact on Europe than the other 3 do.

I won't even comment on this, this is just your subjective idea. Well not the "impact" bit, but ESC is not about that. The UK is a good example of a country which ESC contributions have very little to do with their actual music scene anyways.