TURKEY 2013 - not taking part

[Mickey]

I think the EBU need to - like in 2009 - give us a full details of the jury voting per country and also obligate countries to say who's in jury (I know in Belgium they do that, but in some not)

Countries are obliged to reveal the names of their jurors on air during the final. It's in the rules.

 

[Franco]

Shame for the Turkish fans though for having such an awful sore loosers TRT.

Why put the shame on them? They have no more control over TRT than you have over SVT.

 

[A-lister]

Why put the shame on them? They have no more control over TRT than you have over SVT.

I didn't write shame on, I wrote shame for which means that I feel sorry for the Turkish fans for TRT's behavior. Of course it's not the fans fault! I never wrote/meant anything like that.

 

[A-lister]

Nice act... This is what I expected from you... I am not suprised because of that attidute. I wonder why...

Ehm? What exactly are you trying to say??

 

[Franco]

I didn't write shame on, I wrote shame for which means that I feel sorry for the Turkish fans for TRT's behavior. Of course it's not the fans fault! I never wrote/meant anything like that.

My bad. I misunderstood.

 

[VikingTiger]

So both B&H and Turkey are out.... 2 of my favourite countries.... Sad sad sad....

 

[Jim]

Maybe it will be better to have 75% televoting and 25% juries in the combine results, at least in the semi-finals. Or another option is to have both juries and televoting but to let to all the countries to choose the way of their voting. For example, Turkey maybe would choose 100% televoting, Greece maybe would choose 50% televoting and 50% jury voting, France maybe would choose 100% jury voting. What do you think?

 

[Venage]

Maybe it will be better to have 75% televoting and 25% juries in the combine results, at least in the semi-finals. Or another option is to have both juries and televoting but to let to all the countries to choose the way of their voting. For example, Turkey maybe would choose 100% televoting, Greece maybe would choose 50% televoting and 50% jury voting, France maybe would choose 100% jury voting. What do you think?

I guess it's no use discussing this as the Big 5 are obviously happy the way it is. Therefore the EBU won't dare changing the voting system any time soon.

 

[A-lister]

Maybe it will be better to have 75% televoting and 25% juries in the combine results, at least in the semi-finals. Or another option is to have both juries and televoting but to let to all the countries to choose the way of their voting. For example, Turkey maybe would choose 100% televoting, Greece maybe would choose 50% televoting and 50% jury voting, France maybe would choose 100% jury voting. What do you think?

I'm not a fan of the juries, but changing the system because ONE country that is probably the largest benefiter of totally biased diaspora votes want their unfair votes back is NOT an option imo. It's actually ridiculous that TRT whine and so blatantly want to go back to a system which was clearly unfair. I bet they don't even want the countries to be put into pots either in the semi-finals. This is probably one of the worst examples of sore losers I've seen in ESC. With such an attitude I won't miss them. For so many years they have ended up unfairly in the top. 10's and now they whine.

However I'm not a fan of the juries either, but it was clear the past system was not fair either.

 

[Venage]

I'm not a fan of the juries, but changing the system because ONE country that is probably the largest benefiter of totally biased diaspora votes want their unfair votes back is NOT an option imo. It's actually ridiculous that TRT whine and so blatantly want to go back to a system which was clearly unfair. I bet they don't even want the countries to be put into pots either in the semi-finals. This is probably one of the worst examples of sore losers I've seen in ESC. With such an attitude I won't miss them. For so many years they have ended up unfairly in the top. 10's and now they whine.

However I'm not a fan of the juries either, but it was clear the past system was not fair either.

This.

The current system might not be optimal, but it's the best compromise between fans of the televote and haters of diaspora votes.

 

[A-lister]

This.

The current system might not be optimal, but it's the best compromise between fans of the televote and haters of diaspora votes.

Well, I'm a jury hater aswell

But I also hate the biased diaspora votes. I will never support nationalistic type of voting where only the country matter but not the song.

 

[Impressive]

@Jim Type 1 could happen but this is not the way to solve problem.

 

[Impressive]

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[CC92]

I definitely favour having some diaspora votes in (it's not they're lost with the 50/50 'jury' vote anyway) over political voting, bribing, intransparency and last but not least the 'jury's' obsession with safe/cheese entries and hatred towards anything local. Apart from Italy, the Big5 have on balance not fared better with the 'jury' votes yet so they should be okay with the removal of the 'jury' as well.

It's true that Turkey does benefit from diaspora voting and it probably would have more impact if a less favoured broadcaster complained but I fail to see why they shouldn't state their opinion. The 'jury' thing doeth not effect only Turkey after all.

 

[BGN]

Like it or not, Turkey is very important and worthy member of the Eurovision family and that they are leaving will bring very deep and not so pleasent consequences to the contest.
50:50 system is just half solution to the problem with the Eurovision voting and proved its' incapability to make the voting more fair. So EBU must continue to search and try new solutions.

 

[A-lister]

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[Venage]

Like it or not, Turkey is very important and worthy member of the Eurovision family and that they are leaving will bring very deep and not so pleasent consequences to the contest.

Turkey may be an important member, but it will most likely not bring any dire consequences to the contest. The EBU wouldn't dare upsetting the Big 5 by changing the voting system.

 

[BGN]

Turkey may be an important member, but it will most likely not bring any dire consequences to the contest. The EBU wouldn't dare upsetting the Big 5 by changing the voting system.

TRT pays fee which is very close to what UK for example pays and I doubt that their withdrawal won't bring some unexpected consequences. To start with, there surely will be new fee increase for the other broadcasters and when we have some countries where the border between participation and non-participation is extremely thin, there may be more withdrawals to follow.

 

[Scooby]

Bosnia is not muslim country jeeeezzzzzz. I dont have anything again Islam, but it constantly connectivity Bosnia with Turkey is really too much

 

[A-lister]

Bosnia is not muslim country jeeeezzzzzz. I dont have anything again Islam, but it constantly connectivity Bosnia with Turkey is really too much

Well, tell that to TRT then I think you know what I meant by that though.