TURKEY 2013 - not taking part

[Sabiondo]

Guys are sure this wasn't not April fools advance for today ..? Seriously this is the beginning of the world ends... and yet I can't believe that Turkey and thus TRT quits in this hypocrital way...

Just i wish that TRT reconsidere now this decision, because after all i grow up watching Turkey on ESC and its sad that quit in this way...

 

[A-lister]

WHAT? I'm away a couple of days from the forum and Turkey is out!?

I would have never expected it!

 

[A-lister]

So I read some of the comments and news. So TRT withdraws because Turkey can't benefit as much of biased diaspora votes as before because of the juries?? Well that's juvenile.

 

[dizzydjc]

Whining spoilsports! Good riddance.

P.S. who will get Azerbaijans 12pts

 

[A-lister]

Whining spoilsports! Good riddance.

P.S. who will get Azerbaijans 12pts

True, with such an awful attitude (if the arguments for leaving are the 'valid' ones) then I won't miss them. Shame for the Turkish fans though for having such an awful sore loosers TRT. If there's any country who can't whine it's Turkey. I mean the argument is even ridiculous "We will withdraw because we can't benefit from biased and unfair diaspora votes as much!"... I mean are TRT for real or are they just trolling us?

Well, Azerbaijan's 12 will most probably go to Georgia or Ukraine, or Russia.

 

[Impressive]

So I read some of the comments and news. So TRT withdraws because Turkey can't benefit as much of biased diaspora votes as before because of the juries?? Well that's juvenile.

Nice act... This is what I expected from you... I am not suprised because of that attidute. I wonder why...

 

[Bugranlc]

This İs Childish reaction. Turkish fans in shock . Trt management stupidly .Trt criticizes jury votes. You have %90 diaspora votes. If we join this year, our singer will be Aynur Aydın. I'm very sad.

 

[Terence]

According to esctoday (they took their time so maybe were a bit mor thorough???)

The broadcaster’s reasons for withdrawing from next year’s event are the changes in the voting system of the contest: introduction of 50/50 jury and televoting deliberation, and the Big 5 rule, enabling Spain, Italy, UK, France and Germany to automatically qualify every year for the final. The broadcaster expresses its discontent regarding these rules and feels they are not fair.

Well then let them pay and become Big 6... I'm sorry but Turkey is one country which can hardly complain about qualification as they have a healthy qualification rate (now whether they deserved to or not is subjective).

And what exactly is televoting deliberation???

 

[dragvision]

next year the tevote in uk, france, germany, switzerland is a disaster without the turkish vote, in this countries the turkey have 30-40% of televote.

 

[aletem]

This was like a thunder coming from a clear sky. I'm not happy for this decision either! I think the reasons are different than the ones stated, so I understand.

 

[Adeline]

I think this is a real shame. I really liked the Turkish songs and I feel that they 'belong' in ESC. It will not be the same without them (and B&H)... I definitely hope that no other countries are going to follow in their footsteps.
However, the televote will be much more unpredictable now, since many countries (including my own) give Turkey a lot of points each year due to diaspora.

 

[Kryptonite]

I can't believe that Turkey's out ... I didn't like some of their past entries, but I'm really sad that they decided to withdraw ... What a loss!

 

[Mickey]

For me, this is the most upsetting of the withdrawals, partly because I've liked a lot of Turkey's songs, but mainly because it's so stupid and unnecessary.

 

[BGN]

It's not Turkey fault for the drawbacks in the televoting. EBU should adopt the rule which we use in our national selections - 1 SMS per phone. Now you can send 20 votes from phone number and it's very easy to rig the voting in favour of one or another country.
And there isn't any transparency with the generall work of juries. They even don't announce the jury vote from all the countries, you can't see the jury members from all countries, why are they chosen, what kind of criteria do they use. And when you look at the vote of the Albanian, Sanmarinese and the jury of Montenegro in the semi (for example), you definately will see that something is going completely wrong with the juries.
In fact EBU brought them again to ensure that no random country will win and host the contest or even to pass the semi (every year with slight exceptions the finalist are the same, no matter the songs).

 

[dragvision]

out Turkey? ebu can take a decision Kurdistan in esc, this country have tv in ebu?
I mean about rukish and iraqi Kurdistan, if ebu take this decision the turkish party have fire in the eyes.

 

[Sim]

It's not Turkey fault for the drawbacks in the televoting. EBU should adopt the rule which we use in our national selections - 1 SMS per phone. Now you can send 20 votes from phone number and it's very easy to rig the voting in favour of one or another country.
And there isn't any transparency with the generall work of juries. They even don't announce the jury vote from all the countries, you can't see the jury members from all countries, why are they chosen, what kind of criteria do they use. And when you look at the vote of the Albanian, Sanmarinese and the jury of Montenegro in the semi (for example), you definately will see that something is going completely wrong with the juries.
In fact EBU brought them again to ensure that no random country will win and host the contest or even to pass the semi (every year with slight exceptions the finalist are the same, no matter the songs).

I just think this works in favour of Turkey certainly in countries where there is high turkish diaspora like in my country ...

 

[dragvision]

bosnia and turkey are withrew in the same day, it's not strange?

 

[BGN]

I just think this works in favour of Turkey certainly in countries where there is high turkish diaspora like in my country ...

I think it's the opposite. The native citizens in most cases send 1 or 2 SMS for a song, but the people from diaspora usually send 10-15 SMS for their country and they totally make the vote not representative for the country. When you have the 1 SMS rule, you directly reduce the diaspora influence. And even with these restrictions if Turkey grab the 12 points from Belgium, that will mean that 1 000 people (random number) voted for the song, not 50 people, which sent 20 votes.

 

[Sim]

I think it's the opposite. The native citizens in most cases send 1 or 2 SMS for a song, but the people from diaspora usually send 10-15 SMS for their country and they totally make the vote not representative for the country. When you have the 1 SMS rule, you directly reduce the diaspora influence. And even with these restrictions if Turkey grab the 12 points from Belgium, that will mean that 1 000 people (random number) voted for the song, not 50 people, which sent 20 votes.

that's offcourse true. I also think it would be better to have one vote per telephone/mobile phone...
I think I misunderstoond an earlier post of you
And what you say about the juries is true.
I think the EBU need to - like in 2009 - give us a full details of the jury voting per country and also obligate countries to say who's in jury (I know in Belgium they do that, but in some not)

 

[BGN]

And the juries failed to complete their main mission - to reduce significantly the neighbour voting (with slight exceptions). Gyprus continued to vote for Greece, Azerbajan for Turkey, Moldova for Romania, Ex-Yu for Ex-Yu, Ex-USSR for Ex-USSR, Scandinavian for Scandinavian and so on. And what actually changed the jury voting - absolutely nothing?! Now you have 5 people, that you even don't know, who have the same power as 100 000 people from the televoting. And it's way eaisier and cheaper to corrupt the 5 jury members (especially with this lack of transparency) than to rig the televoting (with 1 SMS per phone for song restriction).
So I'm totally on TRT's side when it comes to their opinion for the jury. They even made things worse and should be taken away from Eurovision - this time forever. Music is question of private taste. It's ridiculous to say that 5 people ('experts') have better taste than 100 000 people and the vote of these 5 persons should be equall to the vote of the 100 000 people.