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KAZAKHSTAN 2015 - not taking part
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What's that to do with the thread? stop trolling.
Let them in, why not?
It would be awesome to see Ulytau on ESC stage.
No doubt they would have a second Lordi effect. They're epic.
^ That Kesh You song is brilliant, I love it 
ParadiseES
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As I said a lot of times before, I'm totally against this country in Eurovision. They should join Asiavision, Sovietvision or whatever they have there.
I don't think it's really possible to see Kazakhstan in ESC though.
I don't think it's really possible to see Kazakhstan in ESC though.
It'd be kinda unfair since Kazakhstan geographically has a part in Europe.
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But they are not in the EBU area : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Area
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Isn't it about time EBU update that map finally?
, I mean even at my parent's house they get Kazakh TV... and that's in Sweden 
The fact that countries like Iraq, Libya and Qatar could join due to that map, countries that have no connection to Europe what-so-ever (neither geographical or cultural/political/social), but a country that is geographically partly part of Europe (and the rest a direct neighbor to continental Europe), belongs to the Eastern Slavic/ex-USSR (= European) cultural/political family and even compete as official part of Europe in different international recognized championships can't
ParadiseES
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Isn't it about time EBU update that map finally?
The fact that countries like Iraq, Libya and Qatar could join due to that map, countries that have no connection to Europe what-so-ever (neither geographical or cultural/political/social), but a country that is geographically partly part of Europe (and the rest a direct neighbor to continental Europe), belongs to the Eastern Slavic/ex-USSR (= European) cultural/political family and even compete as official part of Europe in different international recognized championships can't
Qatar can't join ESC and Libya (and all the Northern African and Middle East countries) has probably more connection to many European countries than Kazakhstan, which only connection is to the ex-Soviet.
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Because they're not part of Council of Europe or what? Well neither are the rest so hmmm... but I thought they were part of the EBU map? Didn't they want to join just the other year?
The Mid-East countries' connection to Europe is due to being former colonies and their diaspora, but culturally/socially/politically they have pretty much no connection to Europe (well, I guess it depends on whether you refer to the Arabic influx as European or not, I don't).
Kazakhstan is culturally/socially/politically belonging to the East Slavic/ex-USSR European family (and it's GEOGRAPHICALLY partly European too, unlike the rest). Now maybe it's not "Europe enough" for some (you make it sound as if being connected to "that side" of Europe isn't worth as much as being connected to let's say France for instance), but there's no denying that these are European cultures just as much as the English, Spanish or Swedish. If you think Arabic/Islamic culture is more "European" than Russian or Ukrainian, then that's obviously your right to think so, I beg to differ however. Sure, the Northern African/Mid-East countries are former colonies, but how much did the European countries really influence them? Kazakhstan is pretty much Russified in its culture, I have a hard time seeing how "Italian" Libya is or how "English" Egypt is... but maybe I missed something here?
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It's not because of the colonies. Those countries are neighbours of many European countries and the cultural and historical influence and heritage is quite strong and it's been like that by centuries. Obviously, it's stronger in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia or Lebanon, but it exists.
I bet there are more European countries with more connections to these countries than the ones with connections to Kazakhstan. There will be many of them with zero connections to any of them too.
+ Kazakhstan isn't in the broadcasting area, so they clearly can't enter.
It's not because of the colonies. Those countries are neighbours of many European countries and the cultural and historical influence and heritage is quite strong and it's been like that by centuries. Obviously, it's stronger in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia or Lebanon, but it exists.
I bet there are more European countries with more connections to these countries than the ones with connections to Kazakhstan. There will be many of them with zero connections to any of them too.
+ Kazakhstan isn't in the broadcasting area, so they clearly can't enter.
With all of the technology around us why wouldn't it be possible to broadcast Eurovision to Kazakhstan? Surely the far east of Russia also gets Eurovision?
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So what you practically say is that some countries' connections are more "worth"? That connections (which aren't very strong to begin with) with Western/Southern Europe is somehow more relevant than to Eastern Europe? With your comment you sort of dismiss parts of Europe as being less relevant, and also dismiss historical facts. Maybe it would interest you that around 20-30% of Kazakhstan's population is even ethnical "European", they have diaspora from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Baltics living there... Again how well "connected" to Europe is Libya and Iraq? I'd say very little, nor are they de facto "neighbors" (unless you count "neighbors" as being divided by sea), unlike Kazakhstan which is de facto even a part of continental Europe.
I'm not denying the historical ties between the N.A./Mid-East countries to Europe, but the influence European countries had over them is proven to be limited at most, just go there and you'll see how "European" they are, while Kazakhstan is pretty much a russified country more or less, which IS a European culture regardless of what some might say.
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The technology is there for sure, it's just that EBU didn't update their ancient map yet.
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The same subject as every year. xboring Obviously Kazakhstan needs to be full member of Council of Europe before an invitation to EBU can be issued. They've tried since 1999 to be a full member, but apparently there are issues and "require improvements in the fields of democracy and human rights" (Wiki). Not exactly an ideal applicant and their chances will be even slimmer while Russia is slipping down the authoritarian lane and have a firm grip of Kazakh internal affairs.
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Well, if we are to allow (or not) countries based on their human rights record and democracy levels then that's a difficult task. Firstly because we already have countries within the contest that are having a pretty lousy record (you mention Russia as an example). Then it's the everlasting issue about "definition". I'm struggling to see how Kazakhstan would be worse though than countries like Lebanon or Libya where being gay is illegal and where you can get life in prison or even death penalty (the latter I assume is for Libya).
Kazakhstan is one of the few secular muslim countries in the world, and not like Egypt and others (countries that are allowed to enter) where for instance women are second class citizens and can't even walk outside the door unveiled without risking sexual assaults (sanctioned by the laws).