YEARLY JURY HATE THREAD

[Luki]

Just to see if the #metoo movement that was tagged heavily to ISR entry played an important part. Because I feel female jury members are more likely to be affected by it and give ISR entry higher placement because of that. To which you could ask ... so what? And to answer before you do ... Jury`s job at least on paper is to be "experts" and first of all value quality of the music. If they start to act like males/females more affected by sth else they do not do their work ... at which point having them is pointless.

If that was the case juries would've had it at top spot in the final. I don't think general audience buys this "#metoo priviliged female did it for fame but if you were raped it's ok cause I actually got something out of it" thing.

 

[Kevan1994]

Austrian jury gave 12 to Israel and 0 to Cyprus in both semifinal and final.
Israeli jury gave 12 to Austria and 0 to Cyprus in both semifinal and final.
Cypriot jury gave 3 to Austria in semifinal, 2 to Austria in Final. Cypriot jury gave 12 to Israel in semifinal, 0 in final.

We'll have to wait to see the jury vote breakdown before seeing how low the Austrian and Israeli juries voted Cyprus in both semi/final but clearly something happened here with Cyprus' jury to give 0 points to the country they gave 12 to in the semi.

CYPRUS JURY SEMIFINAL 1 VOTING
A: Israel 1st
B: Israel 4th (behind Switzerland, Greece, and Azerbaijan, so was ranked 1st of SF1 songs that made it to final)
C: Israel 1st
D: Israel 2nd (behind Azerbaijan, so was ranked 1st of SF1 songs that made it to final)
E: Israel 3rd (behind Azerbaijan and Estonia, so was ranked 2nd of SF1 songs that made it to final)

CYPRUS JURY FINAL VOTING (and SF1 songs that ranked above it)
A: Israel 9th, behind Albania, Austria, and Czech Republic
B: Israel 7th, behind Albania
C: Israel 10th, behind Albania, Austria, Czech Republic, and Ireland
D: Israel 8th, behind Albania, Austria, Czech Republic, and Estonia
E: Israel 12th, behind Albania, Austria, Czech Republic, Estonia, and Lithuania

 

[lavieenrose]

Out of 200+ jury members, you randomly picked 0 countries and try to sound smart?

Hello I'd like to report a murder

 

[Ana Raquel]

Semi 2

Jury

Sweden - 171
Norway - 133
Australia - 130
The Netherlands - 127
Malta - 93
Latvia - 92
Moldova - 82
Slovenia - 67
Romania - 67
Ukraine - 65
Serbia - 45
Denmark - 40
Hungary - 23
Montenegro - 23
Poland - 21
Russia - 14
San Marino - 14
Georgia - 11

Televoting

Denmark - 164
Moldova - 153
Norway - 133
Ukraine - 114
Hungary - 88
Sweden - 83
Australia - 82
Serbia - 72
Slovenia - 65
Poland - 60
Russia - 51
The Netherlands - 47
Romania - 40
Montenegro - 17
Latvia - 14 (OMG THIS BLATANT XENOPHOBIA AGAINST BRAZILIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
San Marino - 14
Georgia - 13
Malta - 8

 

[Alaska49]

Aaaaa I am so here for this, but isn't it spelled "EGGSBLAINE?"

i don't know. I AM CONFUSION.

 

[Alaska49]

Out of 200+ jury members, you randomly picked 0 countries and try to sound smart?

 

[Bsimmons]

Hello I'd like to report a murder

Hello, I would like to report a sucker.

 

[Kevan1994]

https://eurovision.tv/event/lisbon-2018/grand-final/voting-details/israel

The new jury calculation rule was made for this exact reason: Jurors B, C, D, and E all ranked Austria 2nd while Juror A ranked them 25th.

Unfortunately, we also see that with rankings of 1, 6, 15, 1, and 23, Sweden still ends up 2nd and UK ends up 3rd with the Israeli jury with 8, 3, 16, 11, and 1 due to the weight given to the first place rankings.

Me thinks the new rule was made with the right intention but might be too severe in rewarding songs that get #1 rankings.

 

[tuorem]

And Malta getting their annual jury support (5th place in semi 2 :?) So predictable.

So Australia managed to snatch 130 points despite her shaky vocals and bum notes. Queen tbh.

 

[Realest]

Russia was 11th in the TV with 51 Point, although their Best Friends (BY/AZ/AM) were away and they had only 1/3 Baltic Country there.
Serbia gets more TV than Austria, while Diaspora-Adjusted even Australia scored more.
Only My Opinion, but the Combinedvoting is the Best Result.
Both alone are too Corrupt.

 

[FoxOfShadows]

Can I throw my hat into the ring here? I don't think the jury voting was that bad this year. Of course, I'm annoyed at the neighbouring jurors swapping points but outside of Russia/Moldova and Montenegro/Serbia I don't think much of that happened this year. Several juries gave Cyprus 12 points so I think it's a little unfair to berate the Greek juries for doing the same. The Sweden situation is a little suspect but it's hard to deny that Benjamin's staging was technically impressive and the song, while quite generic, is radio friendly and was performed professionally.

In terms of Austria, I don't think the juries were wrong to put him first at all. His vocals were some of the best in the competition and the song is modern and stood out in the contest (much like Bulgaria did last year). A lot of people will bring up how different the results were with the public but I would just like to point out that Austria managed to equal Israel's televoters in the first semi final and also was the song that charted best around Europe on Tuesday night. It's also made it to the Spotify viral top 50, only behind Israel and Cyprus. Make of that what you like.

 

[Bsimmons]

A lot of people will bring up how different the results were with the public but I would just like to point out that Austria managed to equal Israel's televoters in the first semi final and also was the song that charted best around Europe on Tuesday night. It's also made it to the Spotify viral top 50, only behind Israel and Cyprus. Make of that what you like.

That does not explain why AUT got so much points from Juries and killed by the televote though. In fact, it actually makes it even more suspicious

 

[FoxOfShadows]

That does not explain why AUT got so much points from Juries and killed by the televote though. In fact, it actually makes it even more suspicious

If Austria had made it to the top 5 with the televoters then people wouldn't be complaining about the juries overrating it. The fact that Cesar did very well with the televoters in the first semi and that the song is performing well on iTunes, Spotify and YouTube shows that it is a popular song outside of the juries and that it's early running order position really hampered its success this year. At least that's I how I perceive it.

 

[Bsimmons]

One thing we are all missing by default is the fact that juries actually give their points watching a different show. And some artists and songs can be fantastic one day and disaster the other day, thus have big differences between Jury and televote.

 

[Bsimmons]

If Austria had made it to the top 5 with the televoters then people wouldn't be complaining about the juries overrating it. The fact that Cesar did very well with the televoters in the first semi and that the song is performing well on iTunes, Spotify and YouTube shows that it is a popular song outside of the juries and that it's early running order position really hampered its success this year. At least that's I how I perceive it.

So you think juries are immune to running order?

 

[SirPeterGriffin]

Kick out the parasites that are influenced to benefit some determined countries or else finish this system. The results tonight makes almost everyone scratching their heads. I'll never forget about badly treated Hungary was.

 

[FoxOfShadows]

So you think juries are immune to running order?

I think running order has a significantly greater effect on the televote than it does the jury because I believe the jurors take notes on each act as it is performed rather than waiting until all acts are done and then ranking them.

 

[Bsimmons]

I think running order has a significantly greater effect on the televote than it does the jury because I believe the jurors take notes on each act as it is performed rather than waiting until all acts are done and then ranking them.

Who the F actually knows how they do their work? Maybe in some countries they all sit separately in different rooms with their headphones on and phones switched off and then in some countries they are all in the same room, drink beer and crack jokes and discuss everything together before giving their points.

 

[FoxOfShadows]

Who the F actually knows how they do their work? Maybe in some countries they all sit separately in different rooms with their headphones on and phones switched off and then in some countries they are all in the same room, drink beer and crack jokes and discuss everything together before giving their points.

This is true. I'll admit that I'm just speculating but I do still believe that musical professionals who are supposed to be judging each entry individually are probably less affected by the running order than your average Eurovision viewer who has spent the evening drinking and partying and not paying a great deal of attention to the songs.

 

[Alaska49]

what might have happened is that juries heard of austria's good televote result in semi 1 and went "if i vote for this, it might win over israel and cyprus" in the final. which is still trash but at least not that trash.