YEARLY JURY HATE THREAD

[Kevan1994]

Under the old jury voting system, Cyprus would have actually awarded Israel 3 points. So either they really, really attempted to be smart about how they chose to give Israel 0 or the math just wasn't in it for Israel this time unfortunately.

 

[DaFlo]

Imo EBU needs to make clear to juries to vote more for original local songs instead of fabricated pop.

Yes I'm still mad they ignored such a wonderful song from Italy, when there is no reason to ignore it

 

[Bsimmons]

what might have happened is that juries heard of austria's good televote result in semi 1 and went "if i vote for this, it might win over israel and cyprus" in the final. which is still trash but at least not that trash.

Even if sth like that happened and information leaked it could have happened only in 1-2 countries (which is not enough to explain the overall AUT result).

Plus if the target was to put AUT ahead of CYP/ISR then why not give CYP/ISR less points too?

 

[RainyWoods]

Leave Benjamin Ingrosso alone. His performance was majestic. It was a beautiful neon fantasy. The juries actually supported the most contemporary song of the year. It wasn't that weird to me actually that Sweden were a harder pill for the public to swallow. Benjamin's vocals are an acquired taste. Get past the squeaky voice and it's a great song that deserved every point it got in my opinion.


What I do dislike the juries for this year though was Italy. I'm perplexed at how they ignored this, when the public was actually able to get the message. Italy is the kind of song I thought the juries were there to help, and instead they almost destroy it.

 

[Bsimmons]

Why not just have a truly international jury outside of European countries? What is the downside on that?

 

[Jacketh]

I did expect Austria to do much better with the juries than I did the televote.

But I expected about 15th with the juries and 20th with the televote... not winning it.

It's not a bad song. But winning the Jury? No way.

 

[Realest]

Why not just have a truly international jury outside of European countries? What is the downside on that?

I think Europeans can very good decide by their own, who they want to win.

 

[Bsimmons]

I think Europeans can very good decide by their own, who they want to win.

And yet GRE jury always gives CYP 12 points and vice versa ... and that`s not the only example or problem.

 

[Dessi]

I'm afraid entering this Thread... I will keep somewhere in the dark.... 1

 

[Realest]

And yet GRE jury always gives CYP 12 points and vice versa ... and that`s not the only example or problem.

Not always. But Demy, Eleftheria, Loukas etc.. either sung in Cyprus Motherlanguage (greek) or they were very famous in Cyprus etc.. You can say what you want, but Greece deserved every 12 they got from Cyprus. Maria Elena and Argo did not receive those 12 because they were irrelevant in Cyprus..
And of Course Eleni was the only One who deserved those 12 greek Points, say what you want.

 

[Bsimmons]

Not always. But Demy, Eleftheria, Loukas etc.. either sung in Cyprus Motherlanguage (greek) or they were very famous in Cyprus etc.. You can say what you want, but Greece deserved every 12 they got from Cyprus. Maria Elena and Argo did not receive those 12 because they were irrelevant in Cyprus..
And of Course Eleni was the only One who deserved those 12 greek Points, say what you want.

That`s my point though - jury should not give points because of the same language or particular artist being popular (televoting does that anyway already). Jury should judge the quality of the song no matter the country.

 

[Realest]

That`s my point though - jury should not give points because of the same language or particular artist being popular (televoting does that anyway already). Jury should judge the quality of the song no matter the country.

Juries give Points to Songs/Artists who have a Future in their own Country. Also it should be in the Interest of the Public that Juries dont vote toooo faraway from the Reality.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

what might have happened is that juries heard of austria's good televote result in semi 1 and went "if i vote for this, it might win over israel and cyprus" in the final. which is still trash but at least not that trash.

You oughta know no results of that kind is published to anyone until after the final

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think having a jury was necessary back in 2008-2010 when the neighbor voting was extreme and most countries sent songs that would try gather public attention rather than focusing on quality, but I truly think the juries have already played out their part. The televoter has for years now shown that they have a more mature and diverse pick than the juries. It’s time they go

 

[aef]

Austria did still better in the televote than many favourites: Sweden, Australia, Hungary (my personal favourite), Bulgaria, France - all predicted at one point to win or at least Top 5.

Only 33 points behind Estonia in the televote.

Austria is probably the country with the least automatic televotes, 71 points is actually one of the best televote results so far. Only Conchita, Alf Poier and Zoe did better than that.

All those 75 points for Serbia or the 119 points for Ukraine are automatic points from neighbours and diaspora.

Anyways, we were not edgy or exciting enough for more televotes, I respect that. But we had a perfect package of voice, show and relevance, that the jury appreciated.

I am happy that the juries are here, because if not, we would not contend at all anymore. Out in 2008 and never coming back.

This!!

For all the haters of the Austrian result: Austria achieved 116 televoting points vs. 115 jury points in Semi 1.

Israel achieved 116 televoting points as well.

This goes to show that there was more appeal outside the Eurofan bubble than you might have guessed (look at the iTunes) and that running order tonight hurt us. We might have had a shot at winning!!

This!!

Don't blame the juries for the good result. It might have been even better with a 2nd half spot. We're definitely no and . I'm extremely happy with our result anyway. I'm just quite annoyed by all those haters... You know what: Personally I really dislike the entry but yet I still accept their good result and in fact I'm very happy for them as a country! So get over it... The results are the results, thats it.

 

[aef]

Damn, I am really angry with the juries. The televoters voted better than the juries did. And when I look at our German jury with two 16 and 20 yrs old with a Music taste that is no taste ... arrrrghhh!

I'm sorry but your comment is just pointless... Why is their music taste worse than yours or worse compared to other jurors?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

And yet GRE jury always gives CYP 12 points and vice versa ... and that`s not the only example or problem.

But her song is #1 or something in Greece, their taste in music is identical

 

[aef]

people trying to excuse the austrian result because it didn't do as badly with the televote as expected is bullshit

like... how does someone go from not coming CLOSE to winning jury in the semi to winning jury in the final with a notable margin? a song that, while performing better than expected, is middle of the road, represents no evolution, no message and no vision for the future of the contest? it doesn't even sound that current or that crisply produced (which does justify sweden's jury result, as always). juries are getting more stupid by the year and need to disappear yesterday. if you don't want 100% televote then fine but like FIND ANOTHER WAY because this is crap.

(with that said, juries don't vote based on odds that much. austria and germany nowhere to be seen in the odds for almost the entire process and sweden was low top 10 only.)

Wow what a useless comment. What is your point? "not coming close to winning jury in the semi" - Ehm sorry?? was on 2nd place there! It already happened before that top positions changed between semi final and grand final. "people trying to excuse the austrian result because it didn't do as badly with the televote as expected is bullshit" - We had 116 and 115 points from televoting/ jury voting!! I mean it's your right to hate the song but such comments are just 100% subjective, unfair crap.

We have absolutely no clear eurovision allies and no diaspora, so our televoting results are quite remarkable! In the final the draw hurt us a lot I guess, with a 2nd half spot we could have done way better. But I'm not caring about that much in the end, 3rd place is 3rd place and unfair haters like you can't change that...

what might have happened is that juries heard of austria's good televote result in semi 1 and went "if i vote for this, it might win over israel and cyprus" in the final. which is still trash but at least not that trash.

OMG even more useless. I have no words for this bulls*t.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

 

[xymothe]

Albanian jury members have the same top 10, with minor differences. #feelthediversity