Who will win?

[SuperGirl]

I'm a bit concerned about what looks like a westernization of the ESC.

This year, 7 Top 10 entries came from Western Europe, and last year, everything was set for a Danish win, although Ukraine had a major entry, others as well.

There's lots of political voting going on in most Westen countries, who don't vote for any Eastern country anymore. Most blatantly this year UK and Belgium.

Only a few countries like France, NL, Switzerland and Austria don't care about East and West.

We will see what future ESC brings. Hope not too many countries get disheartened to participate.

Lol, Eastern europe if anyone vote for each other. You make it sound as they are victims.

Look at Azerbaijan's voting: they voted for Turkey in all years they could vote for them 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2012. They voted for Ukraine when they couldn't vote for Turkey except this year when their 12 points go to Russia. Ukraine got the 10 points though.

Since Azerbaijan started to participate in 2008 all Turkey's 12 points go to them.

Serbia gave 12 points Bosnia 2008 to 2011. I haven't check the years earlier. In 2012 Macedonia got their 12 points. In 2013 Serbia gave 12 points to Denmark. But the only reason to that was no ex-yugoslavian countries qualified to the final.

This is just few cases. I can continue.

BTW, did you complain about only Eastern countries qualified to final 2007? And top 16 in final that year was from Eastern Europe. Sorry but Eastern is even worse at neighbour voting.

Sweden has since 2008 give Norway 12 points, 2008, 2009 and 2013. But other than that we split our 12 points. 2010: Germany, 2011: Ireland, 2012: Cyprus and 2014: Austria.

BTW, Ukraine 2013 wasn't anything special, IMO.

 

[greece]

Well, actually I think that none block does more block-voting than the other. IMO all the blocks does block-voting none more or less. This is each person's personal opinion.

But in fact what Mlyn said about West not voting East is true, although I think it's just for politics not block voting

 

[SuperGirl]

Well, actually I think that none block does more block-voting than the other. IMO all the blocks does block-voting none more or less. This is each person's personal opinion.

But in fact what Mlyn said about West not voting East is true, although I think it's just for politics not block voting

Well Eastern Europe isn't very good on voting Western either. Their block-voting is even more ridiculous. Nordic block voting isn't that obvious. In 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2014 Sweden gave 12 points to non-Nordic countries. When have Azerbaijan and Serbia gave 12 points to other countries than their darlings?

BTW, which Eastern countries should have won instead of Western 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014? Not even the Eastern winner 2011 was very popular and shouldn't won if the contest would be fair. Western should have won 2011 too in my opinion. Actually the Eastern winner 2011 is the least popular among the latest winners and wouldn't have won in another year. Which eastern country should been in top 10 and which western countries should be out? Instead of complaining, Eastern Europe needs to send better songs.

 

[greece]

Of course both dont vote each other. However ex-Soviet and Balkan block use more block-voting cause they are more countries probably. But again, isnt only the East Europe who does block-voting, anyone does it.


Well if you want my opinion for all the years that you mentioned my winner is from Eastern Europe. Then about 2011 of course it was an unfair winner at all, but from the other hand none was the fave to win. I think that Running Scared was just a averange song, with good running order and powerful block. But again it wasn't the best song of the night at all. Yes imo from the songs that were in the final the winner should have been from Western Europe, I don't disagree. And to sum up I agree with anything that you said about 2011.

Then from what you asked me about which countries should have been in top 10 and who no. First of all from which year? And secondly, it's not about West and East, but songs. Also I dont think that East countries are complaning about their placements, or that they send bad songs (not all of them of course)

Btw ofc I dont expect you to agree with me, cause it's obvious that I prefer Eastern countries and you Western, but anyway

 

[SuperGirl]

Of course both dont vote each other. However ex-Soviet and Balkan block use more block-voting cause they are more countries probably. But again, isnt only the East Europe who does block-voting, anyone does it.


Well if you want my opinion for all the years that you mentioned my winner is from Eastern Europe. Then about 2011 of course it was an unfair winner at all, but from the other hand none was the fave to win. I think that Running Scared was just a averange song, with good running order and powerful block. But again it wasn't the best song of the night at all. Yes imo from the songs that were in the final the winner should have been from Western Europe, I don't disagree. And to sum up I agree with anything that you said about 2011.

Then from what you asked me about which countries should have been in top 10 and who no. First of all from which year? And secondly, it's not about West and East, but songs. Also I dont think that East countries are complaning about their placements, or that they send bad songs (not all of them of course)

Btw ofc I dont expect you to agree with me, cause it's obvious that I prefer Eastern countries and you Western, but anyway

Sorry, I wasn't clear about it. I was thinking about what Mlyn wrote. He said 7 of the top 10 countries this year were western countries. Yes, it's true but which Eastern countries should have been in and which western countries should have been out? I'm talking about this year, 2014.

So your winner is from Eastern Europe in all years mentioned? I'm interested to hear which western countries didn't deserved their victories?


What did you think about Eastern Europe domination 2007? All qualified entries were from Eastern Europe. Top 16 in the final was top 16. That's better than anything western done in a contest.

 

[greece]

Sorry, I wasn't clear about it. I was thinking about what Mlyn wrote. He said 7 of the top 10 countries this year were western countries. Yes, it's true but which Eastern countries should have been in and which western countries should have been out? I'm talking about this year, 2014.

So your winner is from Eastern Europe in all years mentioned? I'm interested to hear which western countries didn't deserved their victories?

About this year I think that only Denmark didn't deserve top 10, as song, cause I really enjoyed the performance. Well now about who could replace it. Imo Poland deserved top 10. Then apart from Poland it could be Montenegro/UK/Switzerland.

Now about the winners. Imo the years that deserved to win were at 2009,2012 and 2014. So my winners that years were 2009: Azerbaijan,2012: Lithuania (but I dont think it deserved more to win after the performance so Iceland/Serbia),2014: Poland. However all that years the real winner was in my top 10. So for the else years (2010,2013): At 2010 my winner was Russia but like Lithuania it hadnt got chances to win, so Azerbaijan, Israel or Denmark deserved more to win, although at that year I love almost all the songs. At 2013 my winner was Azerbaijan and it deserve to win after the performance tbh. But also San Marino and Ukraine would have been great winners

 

[greece]

What did you think about Eastern Europe domination 2007? All qualified entries were from Eastern Europe. Top 16 in the final was top 16. That's better than anything western done in a contest.

Sorry I missed this question. I am pretty sure that there was plenty of better songs to qualify from West at all. For example Norway,Cyprus, Andorra, Netherlands and Portugal deserved much more to be in the final, than Latvia,Georgia and Hungary.

Also the final I think that at least Finland, Spain and Sweden deserved top 10

 

[SuperGirl]

About this year I think that only Denmark didn't deserve top 10, as song, cause I really enjoyed the performance. Well now about who could replace it. Imo Poland deserved top 10. Then apart from Poland it could be Montenegro/UK/Switzerland.

Now about the winners. Imo the years that deserved to win were at 2009,2012 and 2014. So my winners that years were 2009: Azerbaijan,2012: Lithuania (but I dont think it deserved more to win after the performance so Iceland/Serbia),2014: Poland. However all that years the real winner was in my top 10. So for the else years (2010,2013): At 2010 my winner was Russia but like Lithuania it hadnt got chances to win, so Azerbaijan, Israel or Denmark deserved more to win, although at that year I love almost all the songs. At 2013 my winner was Azerbaijan and it deserve to win after the performance tbh. But also San Marino and Ukraine would have been great winners

IMO, Poland was pure nationalistic crap that didn't even deserved final. They thought they were sexiest than they are.

I mean Poland should be happy to be in final with that kind of song. Next time choose a more natural song if they want more votes from western. I agree with Denmark though. They didn't really deserved a top 10 placement. Not sure which country. Should replace them.

You can have own faves but to say Rybak and Loreen won because politics is ridiculous. They won big wins because Europe liked them most. Austria 2014, I think it was much politics. I don't think they would hav won if not first Conchita. But still they found a way to win and I think they deserve it. I was never fan of Emmelie and her song. But the all songs were crap in 2013. Denmark's song was still one of the better that year.

 

[greece]

IMO, Poland was pure nationalistic crap that didn't even deserved final. They thought they were sexiest than they are.

I mean Poland should be happy to be in final with that kind of song. Next time choose a more natural song if they want more votes from western. I agree with Denmark though. They didn't really deserved a top 10 placement. Not sure which country. Should replace them.

You can have own faves but to say Rybak and Loreen won because politics is ridiculous. They won big wins because Europe liked them most. Austria 2014, I think it was much politics. I don't think they would hav won if not first Conchita. But still they found a way to win and I think they deserve it. I was never fan of Emmelie and her song. But the all songs were crap in 2013. Denmark's song was still one of the better that year.

I agree for Poland but not complitely. Cause as song I love it and it's my number 1, but I do agree that the performance was to much. If there was only Cleo and the three girls it would have been better imo.

I didnt say that Loreen or Rybak,won cause of politics, ofc not. If they had won cause of politics they wouldnt had the record of the most points in ESC neither most 12s. They were loved by fans from the first time, so yes it's clearly no politic at all, just to mention.

I agree with anything else

 

[JamesUK1990]

I think will win again at some point within the next decade - whether that will be in 2015, who knows!

Also think likely contenders are:


I also think that before long, the following "new" countries will be added to the ranks of Eurovision winners:

 

[Mlyn]

Well Eastern Europe isn't very good on voting Western either. Their block-voting is even more ridiculous. Nordic block voting isn't that obvious. In 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2014 Sweden gave 12 points to non-Nordic countries. When have Azerbaijan and Serbia gave 12 points to other countries than their darlings?

BTW, which Eastern countries should have won instead of Western 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014? Not even the Eastern winner 2011 was very popular and shouldn't won if the contest would be fair. Western should have won 2011 too in my opinion. Actually the Eastern winner 2011 is the least popular among the latest winners and wouldn't have won in another year. Which eastern country should been in top 10 and which western countries should be out? Instead of complaining, Eastern Europe needs to send better songs.

Calm your tits, I never approved of Eastern blocking at anytime. And yes, I was complaining a lot about ESC 2007 and 2008.

As much as I disapprove of Eastern voting pattern, so I am also appalled by Belgium for instance, who put Armenia dead last for no reason. That doesn't mean I'm happy that Armenia put Sweden and Austria last in their jury panel.

Serbia gave their top mark to Denmark last year, in case you missed that.

And as for Easternly alternatives, well, Norway 2009 itself was rather easternly by picking Aleksandr Rybak of Belarus. In 2010 I would have loved to see Romania or Slovakia win, but Germany was also fine for me.

In 2011 the Eastern countries were rather meh-ish, but the Western countries had no clear favourite on a very high level, so Azerbaijan snubbed them all.

In 2012 it could have been a very close race, if juries wouldn't sank Russia. But Sweden's victory was very well deserved, great song.

And in 2013 I really think Ukraine, Hungary or Moldova should have won, even Azerbaijan had a stronger song than Denmark (although it lacked authenticity)

 

[SuperGirl]

Calm your tits, I never approved of Eastern blocking at anytime. And yes, I was complaining a lot about ESC 2007 and 2008.

As much as I disapprove of Eastern voting pattern, so I am also appalled by Belgium for instance, who put Armenia dead last for no reason. That doesn't mean I'm happy that Armenia put Sweden and Austria last in their jury panel.

Serbia gave their top mark to Denmark last year, in case you missed that.

And as for Easternly alternatives, well, Norway 2009 itself was rather easternly by picking Aleksandr Rybak of Belarus. In 2010 I would have loved to see Romania or Slovakia win, but Germany was also fine for me.

In 2011 the Eastern countries were rather meh-ish, but the Western countries had no clear favourite on a very high level, so Azerbaijan snubbed them all.

In 2012 it could have been a very close race, if juries wouldn't sank Russia. But Sweden's victory was very well deserved, great song.

And in 2013 I really think Ukraine, Hungary or Moldova should have won, even Azerbaijan had a stronger song than Denmark (although it lacked authenticity)

Yes, Serbia gave 12 points to Denmark last year. But that was only because no ex-yugoslavian countries participated in the final last year.

You think juries sank Russia? Well that's the problem for Eastern Europe. They need to find entries that do well with both juries and entries. Think about it, why should the juries vote for grannies that can't sing ahead of a professional singer? Maybe actually the televoting showed how biased Eastern Europe was that year that didn't give Sweden more votes? Why juries sank Russia? I rather think televoting sank Sweden.

2013 was a really poor year songwise. But Denmark still was one of the best and they deserved the victory. No way Ukraine, Hungary and Moldova were better. Ukraine and Hungary are so overrated as esc countries. Ukraine always qualify to final no matter what crap they are sending to ESC.

 

[Mlyn]

If you say Gravity is crap, then you are out of taste

 

[SuperGirl]

Or you are out of taste. BTW I didn't say gravity is crap but many of the Ukrainan entries are that. Still the qualify. Still gravity was a ordinary song and nothing special. Only teardrops is way better.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Gravity was the only song back in 2013 that had the quality to beat Only Teardrops. (Only Teardrops is a better song, but Gravity is damn close)

 

[tuorem]

IMO, Poland was pure nationalistic crap that didn't even deserved final. They thought they were sexiest than they are.

I mean Poland should be happy to be in final with that kind of song. Next time choose a more natural song if they want more votes from western.

Well you have the right to think Poland was crap this year. But it's annoying that people think it was just a gimmicky entry.
I mean, for this 2014 edition, it was the only song that wasn't made especially for the contest, it was a hit song in Poland beforehand and TVP asked them to represent their country. It wasn't a move to shock or being tacky on purpose, like lots of Eurovision entries.

As to the women showing their boobs on stage, it was just the continuation of the video clip, plus it fitted the whole meaning of the song. It wasn't out of place like it usually is in Eurovision (see Ireland and her cleavage for instance). Most people may find it vulgar, personally I don't mind in this context, I even found it funny since it's part of the satirical meaning conveyed in the lyrics.

 

[Sammy]

Well you have the right to think Poland was crap this year. But it's annoying that people think it was just a gimmicky entry.
I mean, for this 2014 edition, it was the only song that wasn't made especially for the contest, it was a hit song in Poland beforehand and TVP asked them to represent their country. It wasn't a move to shock or being tacky on purpose, like lots of Eurovision entries.

As to the women showing their boobs on stage, it was just the continuation of the video clip, plus it fitted the whole meaning of the song. It wasn't out of place like it usually is in Eurovision (see Ireland and her cleavage for instance). Most people may find it vulgar, personally I don't mind in this context, I even found it funny since it's part of the satirical meaning conveyed in the lyrics.

PLEASE! What else than a gimmick entry could THAT have been!?! I do hope, you don't take it as a statement on genderroles that want's to be taken seriously! The fact that it wasn't produced for ESC in the first place does not exclude, that it was meant to be a joke! BTW that's what you said yourself....

 

[tuorem]

PLEASE! What else than a gimmick entry could THAT have been!?! I do hope, you don't take it as a statement on genderroles that want's to be taken seriously! The fact that it wasn't produced for ESC in the first place does not exclude, that it was meant to be a joke! BTW that's what you said yourself....

I don't get what you mean.

 

[Schlagerman1]

Poland was NOT just a gimmick entry, though it had some gimmicky feeling to it. I think that the song has a much deeper meaning to it than the lyrics and the performance had, it could have been political, it could have been cultural, it could even be both or none of these two. Even if I had problems liking it, I could see why people did enjoy it, it was fun and stood out enourmisly in this contest. Now the juries didn't like it either, while the viewers pretty much loved it, and that is the Eurovision, you never know what could happen, just better luck next time.

Now, I don't think Poland will win next year, but I do think it is time for an eastern european country. I picked Romania in the list above, I have a feeling they will have that song that could bring it to Bucharest soon. Other countries I have a feeling for is Armenia and Hungary, which I think could get their first very soon if they continue with what they had recently. If not an eastern would win this time (even if I am sure it have to be east now, otherwise it will look weird..), it could be UKs turn, or possibly a nordic country again, then Iceland or Norway are most likely. Will be interesting to see what happens in Vienna in may.

 

[tuorem]

Poland was NOT just a gimmick entry, though it had some gimmicky feeling to it. I think that the song has a much deeper meaning to it than the lyrics and the performance had, it could have been political, it could have been cultural, it could even be both or none of these two.

This. That's what I think.