United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2014 - Molly - Children of the Universe

[penguinperson]

Mainly as the cuts introduced by the Conservatives (via Murdoch wanting to harm the BBC) have been delivered on new media projects. So the entire web team are doing SCD and they have little staff to put elsewhere. SCD is the bigger show, so that will get the time spent on it. I would not expect anything untill 2016-2017

 

[Leydan]

I couldn't put it any better myself. It is incredibly frustrating to see dated, and incredibly poor acts sent when we have one of the best music scenes in the world and the best in Europe, we're 1 of 3 net exporters of music, so its not as if we have to scrape the bottom of the barrel. It's even more annoying when we hear of acts that could potentially get a decent score offer themselves for the competition only to get shot down for something that is terrible. France is another country that is just bad at ESC as we, but today they've announced the return to a national final (albeit a very small and basic one similar to Ireland's) If France can do a national final then there is no reason for the UK to do one and let the people have some say in the choice. That would certainly calm some of the criticism that the BBC get. But then the BBC just don't care and it really does disappoint me.

Mainly as the cuts introduced by the Conservatives (via Murdoch wanting to harm the BBC) have been delivered on new media projects. So the entire web team are doing SCD and they have little staff to put elsewhere. SCD is the bigger show not so that will get the time spent on it. I would not expect anything untill 2016-2017

Well the way Labour are going about things with the news papers they're going to get slaughtered by Murdoch's newspapers at the next election, so it could be even longer.

 

[Mickey]

France is another country that is just bad at ESC as we, but today they've announced the return to a national final (albeit a very small and basic one similar to Ireland's) If France can do a national final then there is no reason for the UK to do one and let the people have some say in the choice. That would certainly calm some of the criticism that the BBC get. But then the BBC just don't care and it really does disappoint me.

If the only national final we can muster is three songs tacked onto the end of a Sunday afternoon chat show, then I'd rather not bother.

 

[Leydan]

If the only national final we can muster is three songs tacked onto the end of a Sunday afternoon chat show, then I'd rather not bother.

It's what France is doing, and my point is if that if France can hold a National Final (first since 2007) and a country with very low viewing figures for ESC then there is no reason for the UK not being able to hold one of their own, especially when viewing figures can peak up to 9 million. Its not as if they don't get people watching it.

 

[Charly]

The 2009 NF Format could be quite promising for results

 

[GWTW1939]

I don't remember exactly how it happened but wasn't the 2009 NF kind of fixed for Jade, wasn't she a plant (or whatever they call it)? I seem to recall she came in at the very last minute and ran away with it or am I mistaken. Not to mention the fact that the song was pretty much tailor made for her and didn't quite fit with the others.

I thought the 2009 format was great but they did the same thing the following year with less than equal results. Yes the song was a HUGE problem but the talent wasn't that great either and without a plant like Jade they ended up with an average singer in Josh who couldn't overcome a poor song.

Besides the 2009 success on every level was pretty much due to ALW. BBC let him do one of his lets find the next Maria/Nancy star as an NF for ESC but without him it was a disaster. I think the BBC let ALW do it because he didn't want to do another find the next West End star show and they needed new programing or am I wrong?

The fact that after they flopped in 2010 they completely abandoned the format and went back to the internal has been selections tells you everything you need to know. But if they tried it again they would need a better composer to start with and more decent talent.

 

[penguinperson]

Jade came in when Rita Ora pulled out at the last moment. She did end up in the bottom 2 at one stage against Emperor's of Soul (lol),

ALW was strongarmed into ESC as he wanted time off to right 'Love Never Dies' however he had a contract as on air talent to be part of a talent search format. If ALW had said no the BBC could have sued him for breach of contract. With Wogan gone and Graham with no vehicle for saturday nights after 'The One and Only' flopped ESC was a quick option for all parties. BBC often need new programs come January as they try to launch utter crap there, the 2009 process was a success in comparison.

'So You Think You Can Dance?' took the slot the following year, that lasted 2 years. Then we had The Magicians which lasted one year, then 'Britain's Brightest' a format for Claire Balding to reward her for her Olympics coverage, also a flop they have renewed. 2009 was an exception, timings were fortunate for various parties no special effort was made however they certainly lucked out on Jade.

It's not just an ESC problem but the BBC and ITV will dump any entertainment show quickly, very few hits exist for either, those that do are over 10 years old. The gauling fact is that the 2009 national final did do well against the likes of Harry Hill at his peak on ITV. However unlike most shows it was never given a second run to develop like other shows.

In 2014 we have The Voice becoming the focus for the early part of the year. Like other formats it looks to be a white elephant which is now on the last role of the dice with Kylie and Ricky Wilson hoping to save the show, which is flawed in concept and execution. I have said this before but BBC One haven't got a clue at the moment when it comes to shiny floor programs. I think even BBC 2 and 3 would make a better hash of it as they seem to understand brands far better. The staff for BBC One like the acts they send are past it.

 

[GWTW1939]

If the 2009 national final did so well ratings wise why didn't they continue it? I guess since the people involved the first time (and by luck timing from the way you put it) weren't going to do it a second year they didn't bother to get anyone else. Seems really stupid to keep putting on all these new flop shows just to last 1-2 years when they could have a cheap ESC national final to fill it and get the same or better ratings. I mean it could also help raise the ratings for ESC itself too, a win/win situation

Sounds like The Voice is still flopping from the way your putting it. How much money can they keep putting into it and excuse the poor ratings? I think the UK is the only country where The Voice is a flop cause everywhere else from what I can see it appears to be a big hit.

 

[DanielLuis]

If the 2009 national final did so well ratings wise why didn't they continue it? I guess since the people involved the first time (and by luck timing from the way you put it) weren't going to do it a second year they didn't bother to get anyone else. Seems really stupid to keep putting on all these new flop shows just to last 1-2 years when they could have a cheap ESC national final to fill it and get the same or better ratings. I mean it could also help raise the ratings for ESC itself too, a win/win situation

Sounds like The Voice is still flopping from the way your putting it. How much money can they keep putting into it and excuse the poor ratings? I think the UK is the only country where The Voice is a flop cause everywhere else from what I can see it appears to be a big hit.

They did have a NF in 2010 of the same style (not with Andrew Lloyd Webber).
And no, The Voice also flopped in Portugal. But it was shown in RTP. Basically pretty much everything there now flops. It wasn't necessarily badly produced though.

 

[penguinperson]

If the 2009 national final did so well ratings wise why didn't they continue it? I guess since the people involved the first time (and by luck timing from the way you put it) weren't going to do it a second year they didn't bother to get anyone else. Seems really stupid to keep putting on all these new flop shows just to last 1-2 years when they could have a cheap ESC national final to fill it and get the same or better ratings. I mean it could also help raise the ratings for ESC itself too, a win/win situation

Sounds like The Voice is still flopping from the way your putting it. How much money can they keep putting into it and excuse the poor ratings? I think the UK is the only country where The Voice is a flop cause everywhere else from what I can see it appears to be a big hit.

We don't know why another monthly format was not used post 2009, the series had an average of 5 million against tougher oposition than other shows had.

The Voice like every version works very well in the blind auditions, every version does tend to drop after this stage. After the auditions it just becomes a screech fest for most viewers here. The format also prevents a bond being formed with the contestant, especially when the BBC cut the latter stages down. The live versions of the 2009 worked better than The Voice lives, mainly as Webber was a natural judge live on camera.

The format of The Voice bar the blinds provides nothing new as an entertainment show. One reason why the BBC have been trying new things is that there are no big hits domestically or internationally. The Voice is mediocre at best in broadcasting terms, yet has been able to find reliable audiences yet never reaching huge amounts as promised. There is still no replacements for the Come Dancing, Idols/X Factors and Got Talents 10+ years on for broadcasters yet mediocre hits get picked up such as Spash! and Your Face Sounds Familiar in hope they are the next big things, but everyone knows they will never be the next big TV format. The UK had X Factor as the huge singing format which has not helped The Voice, but since the Olympics fatigue for singing shows has been noticed.

 

[Sean]

They did have a NF in 2010 of the same style (not with Andrew Lloyd Webber).

The 2009 NF had a December call-to-arms and a span of shows across January with a proper promo tour after the winner was chosen. In 2010, a producer was chosen who did not openly care about the contest and a last-minute, one-show March NF was thrown together with a terrible terrible song winning. They were not the same style

 

[Mickey]

It's what France is doing, and my point is if that if France can hold a National Final (first since 2007) and a country with very low viewing figures for ESC then there is no reason for the UK not being able to hold one of their own, especially when viewing figures can peak up to 9 million. Its not as if they don't get people watching it.

A national final would be great, if it featured good songs and put on Saturday night prime time. If we instead put on a small underpromoted Sunday afternoon national final attached to a talk show no one watches, then I don't see the point.

I wasn't a big fan of our selections of Bonnie and Humperdinck, but they're far preferable to a bad national final.

 

[toinou03]

Well, for you to know, I've checked the ratings. Les Chansons d'abord had a highest with more than 1 million viewers, being less than 10% of the viewers at that time...
Record d'audience pour l'émission musicale "Les chansons d'abord'" hier sur France 3

Anyway, Eurovision is broadcast in a smaller channel... Put on a prime time, it would attract terribly low ratings... So that's the best decision they could have taken... That program is rather annoying, but they put, as it was in Chabada (the former program at that time which revealed each year the chosen entry) a young talent, a big artist and an old icon.
Last week, there was teen idol and former The Voice contestant Louis Delort (kind of French Roman Lob ), Axelle Red and Sylvie Vartan, still one of our biggest singers ever.
If you want to check the former guests Of course Céline Dion is the godmother of the program 3
Les chansons d'abord - Wikipédia

 

[DanielLuis]

A national final would be great, if it featured good songs and put on Saturday night prime time. If we instead put on a small underpromoted Sunday afternoon national final attached to a talk show no one watches, then I don't see the point.

I wasn't a big fan of our selections of Bonnie and Humperdinck, but they're far preferable to a bad national final.

Not really. If all the songs in the French NF are good, Fance will end up with a much better entry than the UK, if the same process that is used to choose the song for the UK from last years is kept. But that's not hard, considering somebody said that "Believe in me" was chosen because the title sounded like a Eurovision song

 

[Mickey]

Not really. If all the songs in the French NF are good, Fance will end up with a much better entry than the UK, if the same process that is used to choose the song for the UK from last years is kept. But that's not hard, considering somebody said that "Believe in me" was chosen because the title sounded like a Eurovision song

France may be a bit different, but I have little faith in the BBC to come up with good songs for a national final when no effort is put in. The last time we had a Sunday afternoon national final was 2003. Our prime time national finals have had poor quality songs too, but at least by being prime time they did a little more to publicise ESC itself.

 

[NeonProject]

I'd just a like a change tbh.

It's very boring being a fan from the UK, not to mention disheartening.

Thank god for our Scandinavian friends... that's all I can say.

 

[Leydan]

Every country go through a period of eurovision CBA, and put no effort in. Currently, the UK, France, Austria, Portugal, Ireland and one or two others are currently in that phase. The UK had the chance to get out of that after 2009, and some would argue 2011 as well but we didn't. Our time will come again. Germany went through the same period up until 2010, and from there have done well (with the exception of this year) Even Sweden have gone through that same slump, Also look at Norways record it seems that one year they do well, then the next its either don't qualify or a disastrous result.

We just have to hope that eventually the UK will get a grip and realize again of how much of a success eurovision can be for our country. Someone at the BBC will realize it eventually we just have to hope we don't have to wait another decade.

 

[DanielLuis]

France may be a bit different, but I have little faith in the BBC to come up with good songs for a national final when no effort is put in. The last time we had a Sunday afternoon national final was 2003. Our prime time national finals have had poor quality songs too, but at least by being prime time they did a little more to publicise ESC itself.

Yeah. The BBC is disappointing. It's so stupid they way they waste so much potential.

 

[Leydan]

Yeah. The BBC is disappointing. It's so stupid they way they waste so much potential.

keep that in mind when you read this.

Eurovision UK: Rylan Clark - let me do Eurovision! -

I know hes been mentioned before this is what hes said today. Omg please don't let it be him. BBC i actually beg you, don't do it. Why do i feel it will be him?

 

[Charly]

I'm not having Rylan Clark