Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part

[WhoKnows]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

I hardly think so. Not that there wouldn't be some troubles, the entire thing is fishy, but it takes so much more than that to make an entire country's reputation suffer. Majority of the audience in May probably won't know about this unless Ukraine retires.

A local broadcaster != Ukraine as a whole.

I know it may not have any long lasting effects, but in the short term, absolutely. And yes, the entrie country is framed as the "bad guy", as shameful as that is. Check out these headlines on google news. Only one specified that it was the broadcaster. At least from the headliens, you can't even tell it was Maruv herself who didn't want to sign the contract.

Ukraine bans its Eurovision entrant over Russia row
BBC News-3 hours ago
Ukraine's entrant for the Eurovision Song Contest, Maruv, has been dropped in a row related to tensions between her country and Russia.
Ukraine Blocks Eurovision Nominee In Politically-Tinged Spat
Billboard-5 hours ago
Canada asked to send 'strong signal' to Russia by extending Ukraine ...
Globalnews.ca-12 hours ago
Ukraine blocks Eurovision nominee in row over Russian gigs
Independent.ie-17 hours ago
Ukraine drops Eurovision entry for 'politicising' song contest
SBS-14 hours ago
Ukraine's public broadcaster blocks MARUV from representing country ...
International-UNIAN-20 hours ago

 

[Marvelous]

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The official word of UABC executive member:

"We aren't going to pressure her to say political things that she doesn't want to say. She's absolutely right that she refuses from that "diplomatic" mission which is not mentioned in any contract". She also said (with a regret) that she personally likes MARUV and her music. She highly dislikes that politicians started attacking MARUV trying to earn some bonuses before upcoming elections.
She responded to politicians: "We have no rights to discriminate people for touring Russia or those who produce Ukrainian content in Ukrainian or English and publish it internationally".
It was her label that refused from giving the EBU their copyrights

Well yesterday the head of UABC himself stressed that this is their role to ensure that their representative does no bring divisions within Ukraine society. That pretty much says it all.

 

[AlekS]

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Verka supports Freedom Jazz.

 

[AlekS]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Well yesterday the head of UABC himself stressed that this is their role to ensure that their representative does no bring divisions within Ukraine society. That pretty much says it all.

And he's right. She shouldn't divide people by saying political things if she gets asked by journalists. They've already been fined for Samoylova so they want a politically neutral performer who doesn't talk about peace, war etc. They are mad at STB for asking political questions at Vidbir too. On the other hand what's the point in inviting a politician to their studio yesterday

 

[Alaska49]

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I get that it’s seemingly all water under the bridge now, but would it be completely unreasonable to revert this PR disaster and the implications it’s having by simply re-entering discussions with her and renegotiating the terms? Haven’t UABC realised by now that it’s just all so unnecessary? We’ll never know the inner details to the story but there’s still plenty of time to reach an agreement if the broadcaster is willing to offer sensible conditions, or simply those in keeping with previous years. There’s only one way out of this lose-lose situation.

agreed. trying to get maruv back is the only dignified way for them. sending someone else will be shameful to them (and a waste of money since nobody from vidbir seems to want it and how will they get a good qualifying entry otherwise) and withdrawing will be yet another financial blow to a broadcaster that really doesn't have that luxury. if it's really just over the rights to use the song then something can and should be done.

 

[Carian]

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I read all posts since last night to get hold of what is going on right now. Thanx to [MENTION=4377]AlekS[/MENTION] for keeping us posted with fresh news by giving translations/summarizing what's going on in Ukraine.

However, let me say only that my conclusion is that this whole scandal is about Maruv's upcoming tour in Russia, it is about upcoming elections in Ukraine, and it ultimately has nothing to do with ESC, song contest, Maruv's song etc. The only sin of Maruv is that she is not ready to lose her Russian fans and give up money that she would earn by singing in Russia. That's all. My opinion is that Ukraine (ie. Ukrainian politicians) should stop using ESC as a tool to deal with Russia politically. It's getting old and extremly annoying.

 

[AlekS]

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I know that UABC board member personally and I know that she would love to re-negotiate with MARUV.
They really called her record label right at the yesterday's meeting and it refused to hand over MARUV's copyrights to the EBU. Unfortunately it's impossible.
No matter if she's ready for political questions from the journalists or not.

 

[AlekS]

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UABC will continue negotiations with Freedom Jazz & KAZKA. If they refuse most def UABC will withdraw.


They will show the winner's contract to every NF participant at the next selection.

 

[Alaska49]

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if it really comes down to maruv's label not handing the song over then why didn't freedom jazz just take the job immediately since it wouldn't be an ethical issue? this is not the whole story and it's way too convenient to try to shift this to outside the political hole they dug themselves not even 24 hours after maruv won.

 

[BorisBubbles]

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Alaska is right. This cannot be the whole story, even if the label makes for an acceptable excuse. Politics must've been involved somehow.

 

[AlekS]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Alaska is right. This cannot be the whole story, even if the label makes for an acceptable excuse. Politics must've been involved somehow.

At some point if Vidbir producers didn't "boil" this discussion MARUV would have been packing her bags to Tel Aviv. Imho the label could agree if people didn't care about this scandal. No promo? Ok, let's go to Eurovision and get that promo.

 

[JohnyKaz]

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Do we know if there is any other entry close to signing the contract?

 

[hijirio]

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Everything’s so fishy about this drama that I can’t even properly enjoy it. I am just disgusted and I feel disturbed that nothing is transparent, many things are being done and talked behind closed doors, without making a proper justification to public opinion for all these inconsistencies.

 

[Lindon]

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So we can assume that vidbir isn't a NF where the winner is the entry for the ESC, vidbir is more a presentation of the acts of an internal selection of the broadcaster and the voting result is only a suggestion.

 

[wtf]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

There is no way it's about the copyright only. It's not like they have 7 hour meetings to fight the official EBU rules.

 

[AlekS]

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Freedom Jazz officially refused

 

[wtf]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Considering it's made the news all over europe, even BBC, I don't see it ending for Maruv yet. Petitions, STB threatening to cut the funding...

Probably just wishful thinking but the poll results here alone are worth it.

 

[Ana Raquel]

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Kazka's instagram is already open in a tab here for, you know, investigative journalism

 

[Alaska49]

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FREEDOM JAZZ QUEENS OF ETHICS

 

[BorisBubbles]

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Lmao imagine if everyone were to refuse, who are they even going to send? Samanta Tina?