Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part

[Schlagerman1]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

I don't like the tone that this thread is heading to now. I know people are upset, but would be good if we could discuss this in a civil matter.
There isn't much to do now than to wait and see how things will go. Probably we will know more during today and tomorrow.

 

[AlekS]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Learn how to use forum.

Don't bring hatred against the whole countries and I'm not gonna go against those people

I know people are upset, but would be good if we could discuss this in a civil matter.

I'm not sure if civilized manners work against people who hate countries. Not entries, or broadcasters. But countries.

 

[HayashiM]

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Don't you see the flag every performer represents and the name of the country, including the scoreboard?
If someone goes against our society, against our country then why this someone should even represent us?

Fine, what is precisely the opinion of the Ukrainian society? How does Maruv go against it?

 

[AlekS]

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Fine, what is precisely the opinion of the Ukrainian society? How does Maruv go against it?

That's the point. She didn't Moreover she goes quite in line with our opinion.

She didn't like that she has to coordinate her actions with UABC and for some reason she thought they would force her to do something political.
The Head of UABC said he doesn't want politics at all because they paid 200k fine for Samoylova and they don't want this again.

 

[AlekS]

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UABC will have consultations with the EBU as for political sayings at the Vidbir.
According to rumours they want to break up with STB, there are opinions that STB went scandalous for ratings and it hurts the selection.

 

[DaFlo]

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Why are the other finalists refusing as well?

Would like to know their reasons.

 

[Schlagerman1]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Don't bring hatred against the whole countries and I'm not gonna go against those people


I'm not sure if civilized manners work against people who hate countries. Not entries, or broadcasters. But countries.

I know it can be hard, but sometimes, maybe the best is to just leave people alone and not try to change their opinion, even if they are wrong.
We are hundereds of people on this forum, all with different ideas and have learned our view of the world all our lives.
It might not be right, it might not be totally wrong either, but sometimes, it might be the best to just leave them be.
As long as it isn't personal attacks or going too political (which still should be heading to the political section on the forum), then just do as I do sometimes, make an eye roll and continue life.

 

[ZoboCamel]

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I'm not sure if civilized manners work against people who hate countries. Not entries, or broadcasters. But countries.

I think it's a little unfair of you to claim that people disagreeing with you hate Ukraine as a country. For the most part, people have been vocally supportive of Ukraine in Eurovision over recent years, with the fandom's opinion (and my own) sitting quite heavily in Ukraine's favour when the whole Julia Samoylova thing was going on with Russia.

Those opinions have just changed quite suddenly following the broadcaster's actions over the last couple of days. They've changed quite specifically with regard to the broadcaster, and from a number of people who I've seen supporting Ukraine, its Eurovision entries and its people plenty of times before. So I don't see any real evidence that this somehow represents some Eurovision hivemind deciding to start hating Ukraine as a whole.

Honestly, I'm not even sure of my own opinion on the whole fiasco at this point - I'm perhaps siding more with Maruv, but I can see good points and bad points on both sides. All I'm saying is that – as someone who believes Maruv is overreacting – you're certainly making a bit of a stretch yourself with your approach of "anybody disagreeing with our broadcaster's Eurovision actions must hate the entirety of Ukraine." You've got some good points here, and I think you could get them across a little better.

Oh, and you're far from the only person that's going a bit over-the-top here, by the way... there are plenty of people on the other side who've been overreacting too. You were kind of just the last comment that I got to after browsing dozens of pages of this whole back-and-forth argument is all

 

[AlekS]

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I think it's a little unfair of you to claim that people disagreeing with you hate Ukraine as a country.

It's as unfair as claiming that I went against someone who disagreed with my opinion but doesn't hate my country. There's a big difference between just disagreeing and hate)) This thread is not about me btw. If you want to discuss personal things PM me.

I know it can be hard, but sometimes, maybe the best is to just leave people alone and not try to change their opinion, even if they are wrong.

But what's the point in changing it if it can't be changed imo. I'm stating my opinion.

Why are the other finalists refusing as well?

Are there official sayings? Because UABC has already had negotiations with the next candidate this morning.

 

[DaFlo]

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Are there official sayings? Because UABC has already had negotiations with the next candidate this morning.

Thank you

I guess some Kremlin troll was spreading fake news itt

 

[popavapeur]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

just call me when this thread is healthy again + they choose somebody to represent Ukraine

 

[GermanBango]

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Maruv can like ... represent Germany instead. There are three German words in her song so
We`ll gladly give S!sters to Ukraine.

 

[Citelis]

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Sisters are far better than Maruv!

 

[AlekS]

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STB said they are not sure if they want to host the Vidbir next year.

They will spend these televoting money for charity.

 

[mauve]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Maruv can like ... represent Germany instead. There are three German words in her song so
We`ll gladly give S!sters to Ukraine.

No thank you. We will keep Sisters. Better song.

 

[WhoKnows]

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STB said they are not sure if they want to host the Vidbir next year.

They will spend these televoting money for charity.

Considering they're not even helping the act financially this year, what is the point of their involvement anyway? 15 hours of national selection programming? Can be done in an hour.

Honestly, I think STB's involvement has been terrible. They really lucked out the first year with Jamala (and the Hardkiss), but the two following years, Ukraine's entries flopped, and now we have this mess this year. I know people seemed to like the overall quality of Vidbir, but the end results weren't much to speak off (aside from Jamala). Whereas before, the national selection may have been trashy but the end result was usually good.

 

[AlekS]

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The official word of UABC executive member:

"We aren't going to pressure her to say political things that she doesn't want to say. She's absolutely right that she refuses from that "diplomatic" mission which is not mentioned in any contract". She also said (with a regret) that she personally likes MARUV and her music. She highly dislikes that politicians started attacking MARUV trying to earn some bonuses before upcoming elections.
She responded to politicians: "We have no rights to discriminate people for touring Russia or those who produce Ukrainian content in Ukrainian or English and publish it internationally".


It was her label that refused from giving the EBU their copyrights

 

[WhoKnows]

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The official word of UABC executive member:

"We aren't going to pressure her to say political things that she doesn't want to say. She's absolutely right that she refuses from that "diplomatic" mission which is not mentioned in any contract". She also said (with a regret) that she personally likes MARUV and her music. She highly dislikes that politicians started attacking MARUV trying to earn some bonuses before upcoming elections.
She responded to politicians: "We have no rights to discriminate people who produce Ukrainian content in Ukrainian or English and publish it internationally".


It was her label that refused from giving the EBU their copyrights

Honestly, their position seems to change every hour about the contracts, who refused what, who agreed to what, etc. I was open to giving them the benefit of the doubt initially, but they're either completely incompetent or really corrupt. Neither of which is a good look. I don't think Maruv is as pure as people think, but at this point, it's hard not to take her side in all this.

I don't even think they can save face at this point, no matter what they do. The best thing for them would be to work it out with Maruv. The other option is to withdraw. They've lost in the court of public opinion. No matter who they sent this year, if it's not Maruv, it will not be well recieved (fair or unfair as that may be). The country as a whole has suffered quite a blow to its reputation these last couple of days (again, fairly or unfairly) and sending someone else to Tel Aviv will only make it look worse.

 

[HayashiM]

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Honestly, their position seems to change every hour about the contracts, who refused what, who agreed to what, etc. I was open to giving them the benefit of the doubt initially, but they're either completely incompetent or really corrupt. Neither of which is a good look. I don't think Maruv is as pure as people think, but at this point, it's hard not to take her side in all this.

I don't even think they can save face at this point, no matter what they do. The best thing for them would be to work it out with Maruv. The other option is to withdraw. They've lost in the court of public opinion. No matter who they sent this year, if it's not Maruv, it will not be well recieved (fair or unfair as that may be). The country as a whole has suffered quite a blow to its reputation these last couple of days (again, fairly or unfairly) and sending someone else to Tel Aviv will only make it look worse.

I hardly think so. Not that there wouldn't be some troubles, the entire thing is fishy, but it takes so much more than that to make an entire country's reputation suffer. Majority of the audience in May probably won't know about this unless Ukraine retires.

A local broadcaster != Ukraine as a whole.

 

[Kitakaze]

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I get that it’s seemingly all water under the bridge now, but would it be completely unreasonable to revert this PR disaster and the implications it’s having by simply re-entering discussions with her and renegotiating the terms? Haven’t UABC realised by now that it’s just all so unnecessary? We’ll never know the inner details to the story but there’s still plenty of time to reach an agreement if the broadcaster is willing to offer sensible conditions, or simply those in keeping with previous years. There’s only one way out of this lose-lose situation.