[MENTION=10594]LalehForWD[/MENTION] From the figures I've seen (I need to find a source for these again though), Ireland pays approximately 60,000 Euros per year. The BBC, for example, pays upwards of 250,000 pounds.
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LalehForWD
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Makes sense. Imagine you need to pay songwriters, studio time, producers, travel and living expenses for the esc team etc. £250000 will not allow much extravaganza. How the Irish manage with 60000 euros is beyond me. The Swedish SVT ESC team is usually around 20 people whos salary, travel, hotel and living expenses must be covered for 2 weeks. I've never seen any figures and even if the record label is covering for probably a large part, £250000 will surely not be enough. I saw Engelbert's budget back in 2012 and I came to the conclusion he must have payed his own hotel bill and to have at least a little high life while he was in Baku must have been on his own expense. As a kind of vacation more than on a job.
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Unless you mean these are participation fees? In that case, I agree it seems weird the fees are different depening on country. Either way, it's peanuts compared to the real costs of Eurovision. Why no journalist has made an investigation into these figures is strange, but maybe it's impossible to get reliable figures.
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https://www.eurovision.de/news/Was-kostet-der-ESC-die-Teilnehmerlaender,gebuehren110.html
In this arcticle you can read everything about the costs of Eurovision (sorry, it's in German), how they are splitted, for what they are, which country has to pay for what and why etc.
There are some examples of the payed fees in there.
Another article (also German) about the costs. Host country pays the highest fees (much more than any other country).
https://www.t-online.de/unterhaltun...l-kostet-der-grand-prix-die-tv-zuschauer.html
Almost identical content:
https://www.wunschliste.de/tvnews/m/ard-beziffert-esc-kosten-auf-zwoelf-millionen-euro
In this arcticle you can read everything about the costs of Eurovision (sorry, it's in German), how they are splitted, for what they are, which country has to pay for what and why etc.
There are some examples of the payed fees in there.
Another article (also German) about the costs. Host country pays the highest fees (much more than any other country).
https://www.t-online.de/unterhaltun...l-kostet-der-grand-prix-die-tv-zuschauer.html
Almost identical content:
https://www.wunschliste.de/tvnews/m/ard-beziffert-esc-kosten-auf-zwoelf-millionen-euro
LalehForWD
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[MENTION=15159]midnightsun[/MENTION]
Thanks. The fees mentioned in the eurovision.de is summed to 5 million euro which is more than I remember when looking into this for 2012/2013 Malmö. There were a lot of discussions about minimising the costs and official documents were published/leaked. I can't find anything of it today. Either it is only a part of the whole sum of the fees that is transferred to the host broadcaster or the fees have increased in recent years. In my memory, I have the figure 1.5 million euro as the contribution from EBU to SVT in Malmö. The total budget was 25-30 million euro including city services. Anyway, the fees indeed seem to have something todo with the EBU contribution. Perhaps is the fee sum the total EBU Eurovision budget?
Thanks. The fees mentioned in the eurovision.de is summed to 5 million euro which is more than I remember when looking into this for 2012/2013 Malmö. There were a lot of discussions about minimising the costs and official documents were published/leaked. I can't find anything of it today. Either it is only a part of the whole sum of the fees that is transferred to the host broadcaster or the fees have increased in recent years. In my memory, I have the figure 1.5 million euro as the contribution from EBU to SVT in Malmö. The total budget was 25-30 million euro including city services. Anyway, the fees indeed seem to have something todo with the EBU contribution. Perhaps is the fee sum the total EBU Eurovision budget?
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The costs of 1 minute ESC = 791 Euros vs. 1 minute Eurocup football = 21600 Euros is pretty impressive. ESC is rather cheap in comparison, especially for the Big 5. I didn't thought about it that way before. For the starting fees of 380.000 Euros for Germany, the ARD could never produce any other Saturday Prime time show by that "little" amount of money. The only looser is the winner who has to host the thing.
Makes sense. Imagine you need to pay songwriters, studio time, producers, travel and living expenses for the esc team etc. £250000 will not allow much extravaganza. How the Irish manage with 60000 euros is beyond me. The Swedish SVT ESC team is usually around 20 people whos salary, travel, hotel and living expenses must be covered for 2 weeks. I've never seen any figures and even if the record label is covering for probably a large part, £250000 will surely not be enough. I saw Engelbert's budget back in 2012 and I came to the conclusion he must have payed his own hotel bill and to have at least a little high life while he was in Baku must have been on his own expense. As a kind of vacation more than on a job.
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Unless you mean these are participation fees? In that case, I agree it seems weird the fees are different depening on country. Either way, it's peanuts compared to the real costs of Eurovision. Why no journalist has made an investigation into these figures is strange, but maybe it's impossible to get reliable figures.
Yes, different countries pay different amounts for participation; it's varied for every single country, but one thing that is clear is that the Big 5 pay *considerably* more than everyone else, which keeps everyone else's fees down - making it more feasible for less wealthy countries and broadcasters to participate.
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OK, you're right. The UK pays a higher fee than Ireland, BUT that fee doesn't even cover 1% of the total cost of Eurovision. If you look at the table [MENTION=15159]midnightsun[/MENTION] posted referencing the excellent article, some of the fees are listed. So even if the fee-sum would be crucial for the contest (which it obviously isn't), one could wonder why Holland isn't among the big 5, just saying.
midnightsun
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True. That was also mentioned in the article. That's why I wrote last (?) year I think that it makes no sense for Germany to withdraw. Eurovision is the most watched show on TV on the Eurovision day but costs much less than any other big prime time show. Win-win for the ARD.
There is a joke in one of the articles:
Germany is hosting this big event for the thrid time - German television viewers have benefited 52 times from the funding efforts of the other host countries; I think that after last year's big victory for Lena, we should also take our responsibility and be happy being the host this year. That's only fair to others. What should the Irish say - they have already won 7 times! "
It's actually like in the pub: At some point, everyone buys a round (of drinks).
This.
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The perception that Sweden and Australia get points because they are Sweden and Australia lol
The perception that countries are not doing well because they're representing the country they do
no bro, if you actually send an entry with the "package", you'll do well regardless of which country you're representing
The perception that countries are not doing well because they're representing the country they do
no bro, if you actually send an entry with the "package", you'll do well regardless of which country you're representing
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Well, for sure not everyone, but almost half of the people, yes, for sure!
But that doesn't bother me so much anymore, it is more their problem, than mine, they are the ones who get upset about every single detail and thing when it comes to Eurovision. I am just watching and listening patiently, having fun and occasionaly LMAO, when I see things and behavior like that. :twisted:
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Well actually, you always have a framework where you live in. This is for me directly the bias. Countries with more neighbors willing to vote for them are more lucky. But Russia is a bigger country and has therefor more neighbors. Just like Serbia for example. But The Netherlands also gets all the points from Belgium. Though we only have 1 good neighbor and 20 good neighbors if our song is really good.(Like in 2014)
Though we only have 1 good neighbor and 20 good neighbors if our song is really good.(Like in 2014)
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Yes, it is somehow like that, but I really wouldn't like to my country do well just because of the televote, if the song is not good enough. But we were out of final everytime we had weaker song, so I feel like justice is always here. Same for all the countries, but I am always content with the results in the previous years-simply-the songs that were really bad and trash would be always out of final (in my opinion, it happened that I always agree with the public or juries, somehow, rare example in the fandom 
), and solid, decent, and amazing songs overall, were always in the final at least, and for me, final placement is not so important, if the song is not a winner, and there is only one winner, so there is no place for despair and hatred here. When the contest is finished, every year, I am starting to look forward for the next year. So that is the reason I am not biased with the success of my country and of my favorites, too.
), and solid, decent, and amazing songs overall, were always in the final at least, and for me, final placement is not so important, if the song is not a winner, and there is only one winner, so there is no place for despair and hatred here. When the contest is finished, every year, I am starting to look forward for the next year. So that is the reason I am not biased with the success of my country and of my favorites, too. 
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I'd like to see hidden backing singers go in 2019. All singers should be on the stage, now they're hiding behind the stage?
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I saw somewhere a short clip of an ESC performance where obviously a background singer in the rear of the stage sang the difficult parts while the singer in front seemed only to lip sync. Can somebody recall that incident and say what act that was?
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Estonia 2014, Russia 2018...?
SpZ
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Maybe it was Hadise suddenly having male vocals?