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The Netherlands THE NETHERLANDS 2019 - Duncan Laurence - Arcade

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  • 12

    154 54.6%
  • 10

    32 11.3%
  • 8

    26 9.2%
  • 7

    11 3.9%
  • 6

    13 4.6%
  • 5

    14 5.0%
  • 4

    7 2.5%
  • 3

    5 1.8%
  • 2

    3 1.1%
  • 1

    2 0.7%
  • 0

    15 5.3%

  • Total voters
    282

Lazy Baba

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i can only respond it for myself: I don't like this style of music and there is nothing really ~different for me to like it as an exception. the hype doesn't help at all (and being called heartless + worse adjectives for not liking it is not a good way to make someone like a hyped song).

however, I don't know what makes me feel a song. I just do or don't. I could say it's the style, but APD was a really emotional song to me and it's a song in a style that I hate. Good that he is singing something about what happened in his life. Too bad it was a tragedy. Great that a lot of people connect to the song. Unfortunately, I feel nothing. He is a great singer, the song is well produced, but it's definitely not for me.

this year, hype wise, is hard to me. I don't like the fan-fave and I love the most hated song this year. Bring back 2018 where I loved the faves please.

Thank you and also other members on this messageboard for giving a little bit more of a explanation on how you guys feel about Arcade. Looking back on my post last night, I could have used a different choice of words to clarify my question. :lol: I guess i just have to accept not everyone will like a hot favourite. It's just as Lilly stated, i'm not used to see my country on top. And sometimes it's too easy to get carried away by all the positivity around our entry. I'm done. Can we please go back to the dark period? :oops::lol:
 

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Arcade is one of my favourites this year, even though I have "only" given the song 10 in the poll. And I have never considered upgrading it to a 12. It IS a good song, but for me this was not love at the first listening. Nor the second of third. And to be honest it will probably not reach my "all time ESC favourites list".
I would love for the Netherlands to win though. I guess I am positively biased towards the song partly because it's from the Netherlands.

But what will happen in May? I am far from confident that Arcade will win. A top 5 seems rather certain, but this year I really dont see any clear winner at this point.
 

Toposcoupe

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I actually had this impression that we are all grown-ups who know how to handle criticism and know how to accept other people's opinions even if they don't agree with them. Now I see that I'm not right.

Actually I think the way this discussion developed was a decent showcase this was very much a conversation between reasonable grown-ups. First there was a clash between people who like the entry and people who don't, arising from some offensive or overly dramatic remarks and interpretations, and then mostly people who are not fond of the Dutch entry clarified why they don't like the song, don't like the music genre, don't like the lyrics etc., which is fine.

Arcade isn't my favourite song this year, although it is firmly rooted in my top ten. At the time of first listening, during the Youtube premiere, it gave me goosebumps all over and I was thoroughly impressed by it. Sadly, the song hasn't provoked the same feelings with me ever since. Still, I am very happy with our entry. Not only because it is the favourite for the win right now, but also because I think it is a very well-crafted, polished and contemporary pop song that might not be exactly groundbreaking in the international pop music arena as a whole, but is certainly giving the Dutch pop music industry a much needed injection. Apart from the Dutch DJs and female-fronted symphonic metal bands (which I'd love to see representing us some day), I haven't heard anything like this coming from 'us' before. After years of sending established artists with good vocals but usually subpar songs I am glad the broadcaster has finally paid more attention to the song instead of the name and fame of the artist.

This song wasn't written with the Eurovision song contest in mind, Duncan was chosen to represent the Netherlands when Arcade was already finished, the process of writing it and producing it to where it stands now apparently took two years. For me this song doesn't come across as fake. The story the song tells might not be completely derived from his very own life, but he certainly took inspiration from a relative of him. Taking inspiration from other people's stories and lives is not a bad thing at all in my eyes, neither is finding ways to better transmit your message and resonate with your audience as good as you can as long as it doesn't hurt the initial ideas and emotions that were put behind it. But still I can understand why people don't like it.

This song isn't really in my wheelhouse as well, as are most songs in the Eurovision Song Contest and I am favouring the songs of Italy, Austria, Portugal and Albania over our own entry, yet the hypocrite in me (or patriot xshock1) I am still rooting for Duncan to bring home the victory. If Mahmood delivers next month with a great performance and visuals then he could be a serious threat to Duncan's chances and Hatari's song is a rather unpredictable and therefore dangerous entry (it could either be embraced by the audience or flop), but I think Russia, Sweden nor Switzerland (song and artist are missing that special something, that fuego for me, and there is quite some competition with the bops of Cyprus and Malta which might cancel each other out) is able to overrule Arcade. At least I would have more trouble coping with it.
 

Milos-BC

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Actually I think the way this discussion developed was a decent showcase this was very much a conversation between reasonable grown-ups. First there was a clash between people who like the entry and people who don't, arising from some offensive or overly dramatic remarks and interpretations, and then mostly people who are not fond of the Dutch entry clarified why they don't like the song, don't like the music genre, don't like the lyrics etc., which is fine.

Arcade isn't my favourite song this year, although it is firmly rooted in my top ten. At the time of first listening, during the Youtube premiere, it gave me goosebumps all over and I was thoroughly impressed by it. Sadly, the song hasn't provoked the same feelings with me ever since. Still, I am very happy with our entry. Not only because it is the favourite for the win right now, but also because I think it is a very well-crafted, polished and contemporary pop song that might not be exactly groundbreaking in the international pop music arena as a whole, but is certainly giving the Dutch pop music industry a much needed injection. Apart from the Dutch DJs and female-fronted symphonic metal bands (which I'd love to see representing us some day), I haven't heard anything like this coming from 'us' before. After years of sending established artists with good vocals but usually subpar songs I am glad the broadcaster has finally paid more attention to the song instead of the name and fame of the artist.

This song wasn't written with the Eurovision song contest in mind, Duncan was chosen to represent the Netherlands when Arcade was already finished, the process of writing it and producing it to where it stands now apparently took two years. For me this song doesn't come across as fake. The story the song tells might not be completely derived from his very own life, but he certainly took inspiration from a relative of him. Taking inspiration from other people's stories and lives is not a bad thing at all in my eyes, neither is finding ways to better transmit your message and resonate with your audience as good as you can as long as it doesn't hurt the initial ideas and emotions that were put behind it. But still I can understand why people don't like it.

This song isn't really in my wheelhouse as well, as are most songs in the Eurovision Song Contest and I am favouring the songs of Italy, Austria, Portugal and Albania over our own entry, yet the hypocrite in me (or patriot xshock1) I am still rooting for Duncan to bring home the victory. If Mahmood delivers next month with a great performance and visuals then he could be a serious threat to Duncan's chances and Hatari's song is a rather unpredictable and therefore dangerous entry (it could either be embraced by the audience or flop), but I think Russia, Sweden nor Switzerland (song and artist are missing that special something, that fuego for me, and there is quite some competition with the bops of Cyprus and Malta which might cancel each other out) is able to overrule Arcade. At least I would have more trouble coping with it.


I agree with all that and healthy debates are always nice. That's what forums are for. The comment was mainly directed at people who were labeling others and calling out names simply because they disagreed with them.
 

Ana Raquel

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Thank you and also other members on this messageboard for giving a little bit more of a explanation on how you guys feel about Arcade. Looking back on my post last night, I could have used a different choice of words to clarify my question. :lol: I guess i just have to accept not everyone will like a hot favourite. It's just as Lilly stated, i'm not used to see my country on top. And sometimes it's too easy to get carried away by all the positivity around our entry. I'm done. Can we please go back to the dark period? :oops::lol:

you deserved better that time btw good that it's over
 

Citelis

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There are many other good songs that can stop The Netherlands from winning, but I don't think Portugal is one of them. When I try to listen to it, my family starts to complain about the noise...

Portugal is a polarized antry and thats actually a sign that it will be strong in tel Aviv.
 

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Polarizing entries can also finish very low xshrug But this is not the Portuguese thread
 

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I had a very vivid, almost lucid dream tonight and I even woke up because of it (3 am in the morning)

I dreamt of Song Contest. Austria placing 7th with the juries and 12th overall in the Grand Final, yay, Switzerland winning the televote, and Netherlands winning jury and overall.

But there was a thing that made me excited about Netherlands - the same song - and it was Arcade by the sound of it and the lyrics - was sung by a girl with a voice like an angel. I was emotionally very aroused and glassy-eyed, applauding frantically.

The thing is though, this song really is not sung by a girl with an angelic voice and I don't feel it all. But in my dreams, I see what's missing to have it work for me.
 

darkap

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Read the Wiwi article about The Hague (overanalyzed by them)... anyway, damn, just no. If it's gonna be it, the Eurovision better be hosted in Amsterdam!
 

Soul

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2019

Song finally clicked with me. Upgraded from 8 to 12 xheart
 

Ezio

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When I listen to the song, it is like, okay let me give it a chance. And the first verse definitely delivers a shiver and goosebumps, because it is sung very delicately and the lyrics are very relatable.

The chorus however sinks the song for me. Everytime the chorus kicks in, it really KICKS in like a thunder and hits me offguard and makes me flinch and quiver. I am clueless, because I don't know what I can do to adjust to that song.
 

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He sounded quite solid at the London Eurovision Party, I for one can't wait to see how all this translates to the big stage in Tel Aviv. If all the pieces come together correctly, then I think this has winner written all over it

 

MyHeartIsYours

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Especially compared to Amsterdam, I think London was not a good performance! Watching that makes me think for the first time he might not win!
 

Lilly

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Amsterdam vs London. Concert avenue vs Pub
What I hear is that he brings little nuances in his voice this time and I like it!
 

Iker

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Duncan Laurence is going to win this year.

This is both my educated guess and my gut feeling. I suspect that he may do it ''Jamala style'' aka finishing 2nd both in jury & televote but winning as a whole.
 

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I’ve given this song another shot, and I enjoyed the lyrics much more this time around, though they’re still not enough to bump this song into my points range, as the package still feels a bit too Sam Smith lite to me. Close, though.
 
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