The Netherlands THE NETHERLANDS 2019 - Duncan Laurence - Arcade

[Noekie]

I really love this composition, it's authentic and catchy❤ Duncan Laurence is such a talented singer-songwriter and such a nice person. Almost every review/reaction is very positive, millions views on YouTube, positive comments, 26% winning chance in the odds, a handfull of salty haters, i guess Duncan is doing something really well

 

[esc87fan]

Duncan is currently in Stockholm doing some writing sessions, he spent time there as part of his studies at the Rock Academy

 

[Realest]

Hope he finishes "I miss you" soon.

 

[Lazy Baba]

I really dont understand how some people can say things like the song giving them fake vibes. He has written the song by himself from a sad experience he had been going through. It's as honest as you can get. The emotion he puts in this song is huge, the story feels real to me. All the reactions under his video shows that many people experience the same. Maybe some of you just don't feel it, which is okay, but i'm just curious as to why some of you think its not a good entry or giving you fake vibes. Maybe some people cant relate to a loss of someone or anything else precious or some of you just prefer listening to bops instead, i don't know. I agree that it's not the most original song ever. Songs like Arcade can be found in many charts across Europe, but the same can be said about other winners of the past. In this years competition it stands out, in any other year, who knows. Fact is this song captures a lot of positive attention and you need that in order to go far in ESC. Music is feeling as King Salvador said and i guess that explains it all. Some of us are feeling it, some people don't. Still i'm happy to see that most people are feeling it. And if Duncan nails the staging, i don't see any reason why it won't win.

 

[carl1]

Duncan will wn this year. Then he will represent The Netherlands next year again with "I miss you", and will win again.

 

[Ana Raquel]

I really dont understand how some people can say things like the song giving them fake vibes. He has written the song by himself from a sad experience he had been going through. It's as honest as you can get. The emotion he puts in this song is huge, the story feels real to me. All the reactions under his video shows that many people experience the same. Maybe some of you just don't feel it, which is okay, but i'm just curious as to why some of you think its not a good entry or giving you fake vibes. Maybe some people cant relate to a loss of someone or anything else precious or some of you just prefer listening to bops instead, i don't know. I agree that it's not the most original song ever. Songs like Arcade can be found in many charts across Europe, but the same can be said about other winners of the past. In this years competition it stands out, in any other year, who knows. Fact is this song captures a lot of positive attention and you need that in order to go far in ESC. Music is feeling as King Salvador said and i guess that explains it all. Some of us are feeling it, some people don't. Still i'm happy to see that most people are feeling it. And if Duncan nails the staging, i don't see any reason why it won't win.

i can only respond it for myself: I don't like this style of music and there is nothing really ~different for me to like it as an exception. the hype doesn't help at all (and being called heartless + worse adjectives for not liking it is not a good way to make someone like a hyped song).

however, I don't know what makes me feel a song. I just do or don't. I could say it's the style, but APD was a really emotional song to me and it's a song in a style that I hate. Good that he is singing something about what happened in his life. Too bad it was a tragedy. Great that a lot of people connect to the song. Unfortunately, I feel nothing. He is a great singer, the song is well produced, but it's definitely not for me.

this year, hype wise, is hard to me. I don't like the fan-fave and I love the most hated song this year. Bring back 2018 where I loved the faves please.

 

[DenizESC]

Lmao so now people that don't like arcade haven't been through anything or haven't lost people dear to them so they can't relate to the feeling...

because those people should feel this song then...

: ' )

 

[Ana Raquel]

Lmao so now people that don't like arcade haven't been through anything or haven't lost people dear to them so they can't relate to the feeling...

because those people should feel this song then...

: ' )

I remember spending months on an anxiety crisis because my friend died suddenly (and it was right when i had to remove one of my medications........ talk about bad timing)

shocking everyone because i've had bad experiences in life

 

[lavieenrose]

Maybe some of you just don't feel it, which is okay, but i'm just curious as to why some of you think its not a good entry or giving you fake vibes. Maybe some people cant relate to a loss of someone or anything else precious or some of you just prefer listening to bops instead, i don't know.

I can only speak for myself here, but the bolded part is false and requires only a cursory look through songs I've hyped to make that clear, and the underlined part is a YIKES and a half.

 

[DenizESC]

i can only respond it for myself: I don't like this style of music and there is nothing really ~different for me to like it as an exception. the hype doesn't help at all (and being called heartless + worse adjectives for not liking it is not a good way to make someone like a hyped song).

however, I don't know what makes me feel a song. I just do or don't. I could say it's the style, but APD was a really emotional song to me and it's a song in a style that I hate. Good that he is singing something about what happened in his life. Too bad it was a tragedy. Great that a lot of people connect to the song. Unfortunately, I feel nothing. He is a great singer, the song is well produced, but it's definitely not for me.

this year, hype wise, is hard to me. I don't like the fan-fave and I love the most hated song this year. Bring back 2018 where I loved the faves please.

I don't want to annoy people but what it is about this song that I think makes me feel nothing is: it is SO well thought out, almost too well thought out. Everything and every single part of the song is like that, for it to be perfectly radio-friendly and Eurovision winner-esque. And when you produce a song that's side goal (another thing: such a song this shouldn't be a side goal) is also supposed to make people emotional it all just comes off as way pretentious! Add on top of that the amount of cliche it has and I just can't with it in any way, shape or form. Songs that make me feel something are usually very raw, very 'in the moment' and just very real life. I don't even know how to explain it exactly. Yes these songs can still be made radio-friendly after so it's not just that. I might sound harsh but I just don't think Duncan is that... Artistic?

Than again, don't take my opinion too seriously, everyone thinks I have the most trash taste in music so

 

[Leydan]

I really dont understand how some people can say things like the song giving them fake vibes. He has written the song by himself from a sad experience he had been going through. It's as honest as you can get. The emotion he puts in this song is huge, the story feels real to me. All the reactions under his video shows that many people experience the same. Maybe some of you just don't feel it, which is okay, but i'm just curious as to why some of you think its not a good entry or giving you fake vibes. Maybe some people cant relate to a loss of someone or anything else precious or some of you just prefer listening to bops instead, i don't know. I agree that it's not the most original song ever. Songs like Arcade can be found in many charts across Europe, but the same can be said about other winners of the past. In this years competition it stands out, in any other year, who knows. Fact is this song captures a lot of positive attention and you need that in order to go far in ESC. Music is feeling as King Salvador said and i guess that explains it all. Some of us are feeling it, some people don't. Still i'm happy to see that most people are feeling it. And if Duncan nails the staging, i don't see any reason why it won't win.

as with Ana, I can't speak for the masses but for me, It feels fake because of the music and for all the reasons Pop Geek says. It feels so calculated and try hard. Like this song was created specifically for eurovision by being a non-eurovision song accessible to the masses and trying to be something else. I feel 0 emotion at all, his singing and lyrics completely washes over me, I enjoy many songs in this style but I find this nothing extraordinary or stand out enough to win. Many singers in the past have written and sung about sad experiences and fallen totally flat on their faces in a semi or had 0 support of hype, so a sad story isn't good enough reason for a song to storm to victory or for me to hype it. I don't joke or make little of his experiences but I just don't feel it at all. Two of my closest friends on the forum love it, so I can live with it, I just don't join the hype. I despise Salvador and his song with a burning passion, and I have it labelled as the worst winner in history but I could see the connection he had in his song, and how he drew in the audience, so I can see why he won - I just didn't get into it because I totally loathed that song completely. With Duncan and this, I just don't see it here. I don't hate his song, I can listen to it, I just don't think its anything worth writing home about

On another point you made , Music can be feeling yes, it's good to sense there is a connection, but music isn't solely feeling. Music can be fun, it can be fireworks and it can exciting. We all like different things.

 

[lavieenrose]

I don't want to annoy people but what it is about this song that I think makes me feel nothing is: it is SO well thought out, almost too well thought out. Everything and every single part of the song is like that, for it to be perfectly radio-friendly and Eurovision winner-esque. And when you produce a song that's side goal (another thing: such a song this shouldn't be a side goal) is also supposed to make people emotional it all just comes off as way pretentious! Add on top of that the amount of cliche it has and I just can't with it in any way, shape or form. Songs that make me feel something are usually very raw, very 'in the moment' and just very real life. I don't even know how to explain it exactly. Yes these songs can still be made radio-friendly after so it's not just that. I might sound harsh but I just don't think Duncan is that... Artistic?

Than again, don't take my opinion too seriously, everyone thinks I have the most trash taste in music so

Hardly, this actually made me feel very spoken for. It feels like for a song that's supposed to catch someone in a vulnerable moment, we didn't catch him in any vulnerability at all. He hides behind a gigantic production and a melody that's heavy on the fanfare and light on the unpredictable and non-choreographed.

 

[Ana Raquel]

I don't want to annoy people but what it is about this song that I think makes me feel nothing is: it is SO well thought out, almost too well thought out. Everything and every single part of the song is like that, for it to be perfectly radio-friendly and Eurovision winner-esque. And when you produce a song that's side goal (another thing: such a song this shouldn't be a side goal) is also supposed to make people emotional it all just comes off as way pretentious! Add on top of that the amount of cliche it has and I just can't with it in any way, shape or form. Songs that make me feel something are usually very raw, very 'in the moment' and just very real life. I don't even know how to explain it exactly. Yes these songs can still be made radio-friendly after so it's not just that. I might sound harsh but I just don't think Duncan is that... Artistic?

Than again, don't take my opinion too seriously, everyone thinks I have the most trash taste in music so

whoever posted here (iirc it was ash) that it was a very calculated song was completely correct. it reminds me of a million voices in that aspect.

but at least gagarina gave us gifs

 

[Reinventor]

I get that people have different opinions, that's all normal, and not everybody likes the same thing. What bothers me though is that those not liking Arcade claim to "hold the truth", or "are correct" etc. That is simply not true. The fact that you don't like something, does not mean that your opinion holds more value over those that do like it. That really irks me. Your opinion is not worth more to those that like it. And the fact that some come in here over and over to claim it's "fake, cliche whatever", does not make it more true either. It just makes you annoying as hell.

 

[DenizESC]

Can I just throw this also:

To me this 'makes hurt people feel emotional' thing.... Sure maybe for the classic privileged high school teenager that just lost her boyfriend

I listen to Işıl German when I feel broken f.e.

Basic people will now call this trash but I'm ok with that

 

[Leydan]

I get that people have different opinions, that's all normal, and not everybody likes the same thing. What bothers me though is that those not liking Arcade claim to "hold the truth", or "are correct" etc. That is simply not true. The fact that you don't like something, does not mean that your opinion holds more value over those that do like it. That really irks me. Your opinion is not worth more to those that like it. And the fact that some come in here over and over to claim it's "fake, cliche whatever", does not make it more true either. It just makes you annoying as hell.

Someone literally asked why we thought it was fake, people are responding to that question - hence why we're all piling back into the thread. In actuality it seems to me that many of you just brush any criticism aside because you're so overly hyped and obsessed with your entry that anyone not liking it just wont do and their opinion is irrelevant. So I find it amusing that you think it is the reverse.

 

[lavieenrose]

I get that people have different opinions, that's all normal, and not everybody likes the same thing. What bothers me though is that those not liking Arcade claim to "hold the truth", or "are correct" etc. That is simply not true. The fact that you don't like something, does not mean that your opinion holds more value over those that do like it. That really irks me. Your opinion is not worth more to those that like it. And the fact that some come in here over and over to claim it's "fake, cliche whatever", does not make it more true either. It just makes you annoying as hell.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but there is no identification strategy for "claiming to hold the truth or be correct" that excludes one side of the opinions here. On this, I do hold the truth and am correct.

 

[DenizESC]

Someone literally asked why we thought it was fake, people are responding to that question - hence why we're all piling back into the thread. In actuality it seems to me that many of you just brush any criticism aside because you're so overly hyped and obsessed with your entry that anyone not liking it just wont do and their opinion is irrelevant. So I find it amusing that you think it is the reverse.

And I was even starting to be ok with that some people feel that way, I mean what can we do... But now we also hadn't been through shit and had no emotions so that's where I draw the line : O like just accept we hate that song it's not any more deep than that

'It feels like for a song that's supposed to catch someone in a vulnerable moment, we didn't catch him in any vulnerability at all. He hides behind a gigantic production and a melody that's heavy on the fanfare and light on the unpredictable and non-choreographed.'

This is all anyone ever needed to say on this for me. It's my feelings on this song in a nutshell and everyone else that dislikes it I'm sure.

 

[Ana Raquel]

I get that people have different opinions, that's all normal, and not everybody likes the same thing. What bothers me though is that those not liking Arcade claim to "hold the truth", or "are correct" etc. That is simply not true. The fact that you don't like something, does not mean that your opinion holds more value over those that do like it. That really irks me. Your opinion is not worth more to those that like it. And the fact that some come in here over and over to claim it's "fake, cliche whatever", does not make it more true either. It just makes you annoying as hell.

arcade is one of the least hated entries on the fandom though. you should go to the georgian thread and see comments about it in facebook groups. it's another level

also, I suggest you not to assume people who dislike arcade didn't go through a bad experience in the past. sounds condescending and even offensive. sometimes it's not that deep.

 

[0scar]

I think the biggest problem here is that Arcade is the favorite to win. That creates strong opinions on both sides. People feel like they have to have an opinion on this one while there are several songs I don't really have an opinion about.

People who don't like Arcade feel like they should express that more intensely (often with claiming it shouldn't win or be on top) and people who like Arcade feel attacked and try to defend why it is on top, and then people who don't like it are annoyed because people are defending it. BOTH sides are somewhat 'obsessed' with hating or loving the song - because it's the favourite, because the opinion of others, because of the heavy opinions people tend to have about Arcade.

Of course me as a Dutchman really would like to win and I personally think Arcade is a really DESERVING winner, and I too have often the urge to try and defend Arcade. But everyone has the right to have an opinion and to express it. Period. But we might want to try harder to understand both sides. Being the favorite to win isn't easy I guess

Fact is that Arcade is the winner and most of the people probably don't think it's fake, cliched or whatever. But it's alright to have that opinion as well.

Okay this ended up being a different post than I had in mind