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The Netherlands THE NETHERLANDS 2019 - Duncan Laurence - Arcade

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RainyWoods

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I get that people have different opinions, that's all normal, and not everybody likes the same thing. What bothers me though is that those not liking Arcade claim to "hold the truth", or "are correct" etc. That is simply not true. The fact that you don't like something, does not mean that your opinion holds more value over those that do like it. That really irks me. Your opinion is not worth more to those that like it. And the fact that some come in here over and over to claim it's "fake, cliche whatever", does not make it more true either. It just makes you annoying as hell.

Who though has come here and declared their opinions as fact? There may have been some strong, not particularly pleasing views shared, but I haven’t caught anyone here acting like they’ve got the only words that matter. Meanwhile a couple of pages back those of us who have offered a differing opinion to most on the song are referred to as salty haters. I like writing about music. The whole point of this place is to discuss music, and actually it’s equally annoying feeling like I have to walk on tiptoe sometimes or risk the wrath of fiercely passionate fans. My favourites get bad heat most years and yet I let people have their say. Sometimes I feel like a few consider topics here as love-ins and forget the place is home to a whole community of people.
 

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I really dont understand how some people can say things like the song giving them fake vibes. He has written the song by himself from a sad experience he had been going through. It's as honest as you can get. The emotion he puts in this song is huge, the story feels real to me. All the reactions under his video shows that many people experience the same. Maybe some of you just don't feel it, which is okay, but i'm just curious as to why some of you think its not a good entry or giving you fake vibes. Maybe some people cant relate to a loss of someone or anything else precious or some of you just prefer listening to bops instead, i don't know. I agree that it's not the most original song ever. Songs like Arcade can be found in many charts across Europe, but the same can be said about other winners of the past. In this years competition it stands out, in any other year, who knows. Fact is this song captures a lot of positive attention and you need that in order to go far in ESC. Music is feeling as King Salvador said and i guess that explains it all. Some of us are feeling it, some people don't. Still i'm happy to see that most people are feeling it. And if Duncan nails the staging, i don't see any reason why it won't win.

Well, as you say, some of us are feeling it, some aren't. I don't think I can point out a single aspect and say "see, it is fake because of THIS", but I still have that feeling. The closest explanation I got is how extremely polished it feels. I don't mind me a "sob story", I have had my losses too (everyone has at some point of their lives), I can relate. Yet if I take for example AWS last year, the central feeling comes out fairly raw. They have had plenty of fireworks, but those did complement the expression of anger rather well. Michael Schulte's much softer song was about the same topic, but I still understood his song as a thank you speech to his own father and that felt pretty straightforward and honest.

(As I understand it) Arcade combines
- the feelings of losing a friend who found the love of her life but had to die instead
- together with addiction of computer games
- and some oh ohs
- all presented by a naked super polished guy who might or might not be the love of the aforementioned girl's life (I don't want to have double standards, because I would certainly appreciate the nudity as a selling point were the singer a girl, yet in that case I just wouldn't expect a super deep and meaningful song. So yeah, the combination bothers me).

That's just too much of a mashup for my taste, Arcade tries to be too many things in the same time. In AWS' and Schulte's cases, the message I get is "oh I had this big pain and I used the songwriting process and singing itself to somehow help me get better". For Duncan, it is more of a "oh, I need to write a new song, could I get some points for the pain topic?" (Which I think justified by wiwibloggs: "he said of the songwriting process. “I searched for touching stories that move people" https://wiwibloggs.com/2019/03/18/arcade-lyrics-duncan-laurence/). And that is quite close to calculated. Of course it could have actually been the same case for ASW and Schulte, but it is not the feeling I get.

I respect that many people do feel the song and react to it positively. I only try to give you some explanation for my feelings being on the opposite side. Of course who knows, they might still change :)
 

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People you do not need to feel anything actually. Just listen to it and you either like it or not!
 

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I think the biggest problem here is that Arcade is the favorite to win. That creates strong opinions on both sides. People feel like they have to have an opinion on this one while there are several songs I don't really have an opinion about.

People who don't like Arcade feel like they should express that more intensely (often with claiming it shouldn't win or be on top) and people who like Arcade feel attacked and try to defend why it is on top, and then people who don't like it are annoyed because people are defending it. BOTH sides are somewhat 'obsessed' with hating or loving the song - because it's the favourite, because the opinion of others, because of the heavy opinions people tend to have about Arcade.

I agree. It is quite possible I would rate this a lot higher if it wasn't THE favourite. The amount of hype probably makes my dislike much stronger.
 

Lilly

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Its a strange thing to be the favorite...Sweden had to deal with this a lot I gues :lol:

I don’t know...its the first time it happens to me Personally in my lifetime at least.

But for the al the haters out here: be relaxed when the Dutch winns this now...we can Life on that another 40 years from now :rolleyes:
 

Trece

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I think the biggest problem here is that Arcade is the favorite to win. That creates strong opinions on both sides. People feel like they have to have an opinion on this one while there are several songs I don't really have an opinion about.

People who don't like Arcade feel like they should express that more intensely (often with claiming it shouldn't win or be on top) and people who like Arcade feel attacked and try to defend why it is on top, and then people who don't like it are annoyed because people are defending it. BOTH sides are somewhat 'obsessed' with hating or loving the song - because it's the favourite, because the opinion of others, because of the heavy opinions people tend to have about Arcade.

Of course me as a Dutchman really would like to win and I personally think Arcade is a really DESERVING winner, and I too have often the urge to try and defend Arcade. But everyone has the right to have an opinion and to express it. Period. But we might want to try harder to understand both sides. Being the favorite to win isn't easy I guess

Fact is that Arcade is the winner and most of the people probably don't think it's fake, cliched or whatever. But it's alright to have that opinion as well.

Okay this ended up being a different post than I had in mind

And got a brilliant post in the end

And i can admit myself too if there is a big fave i feel like i have also voice my opinion about it and if i dont like it, i still say it and probably more expressive. And i cant deny that i might like song less just because its a fav (and trying to find as many disavantages as possible) :lol: i think its people's nature
 

Lilly

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And got a brilliant post in the end

And i can admit myself too if there is a big fave i feel like i have also voice my opinion about it and if i dont like it, i still say it and probably more expressive. And i cant deny that i might like song less just because its a fav (and trying to find as many disavantages as possible) :lol: i think its people's nature

I think my post is much better to end this discussion:

Its a strange thing to be the favorite...Sweden had to deal with this a lot I gues

I don’t know...its the first time it happens to me Personally in my lifetime at least.

But for the al the haters out here: be relaxed when the Dutch winns this now...we can Life on that another 40 years from now
 

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Its a strange thing to be the favorite...Sweden had to deal with this a lot I gues :lol:

I don’t know...its the first time it happens to me Personally in my lifetime at least.

But for the al the haters out here: be relaxed when the Dutch winns this now...we can Life on that another 40 years from now :rolleyes:

Me when Netherlands wins:
 

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Lol I now see I said 'Fact is that Arcade is the winner' but I obviously meant that Arcade is the favourite to win. I'm not that confident about Arcade winning in May or something, just tired
 

Trece

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I think my post is much better to end this discussion:

Its a strange thing to be the favorite...Sweden had to deal with this a lot I gues

I don’t know...its the first time it happens to me Personally in my lifetime at least.

But for the al the haters out here: be relaxed when the Dutch winns this now...we can Life on that another 40 years from now

Well i dont like to act like he already won because anything can happen and we know even big faves flopped in the past (tho i think in 2019 its aesier to predict result and influence on jury voting who accidentally (?) votes very similar to betting odds recent years, also from producers giving better slot and commentators paying attention 'look this is fave'. It wasnt like this years ago)
If he wins it would be super amazing but if not i hope other my fave wins :lol:
But from all i have winning vibes only from Arcade xshrug
 

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Me when Netherlands wins:

Lol I'd be tempted to go, Amsterdam is super close and easy to get to, not like if it were off in Moldova or whatever. XD I'm sure they'd put on a super great show also, anyway.
 

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I think my post is much better to end this discussion:

[MENTION=5846]Reinventor[/MENTION] I assume this attitude also drives you up the wall?
 

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It's far from decided lol. Salvador, Conchita and Jamala weren't even on the radar at this point.

Duncan appears to be retaining his momentum however and that's good for his chance.

Still feel like Bilal can come out of nowhere to win though (or Hatari or Mahmood)
 

Mrm

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Ok but you can say that on every song, there is No song that have some chiched on them this year. Every single song this year is done before...for me that is not a very strong argument.

Find me smth similar to Portugal 2019, before..
 

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I actually had this impression that we are all grown-ups who know how to handle criticism and know how to accept other people's opinions even if they don't agree with them. Now I see that I'm not right.


Instead of that, people are being called salty haters, then haters x2, then people who have no emotions, etc..........


Yet, there wasn't a single hater in this thread. People were just writing their opinions. Nobody actually wrote that the song is bad, they just don't see it as the second coming of Christ as it is constantly being forced down everyone's throats.


As I personally wrote, I don't think it's a bad song and in fact, I think he is a great performer. However, I feel nothing for the song and indeed to me, this is such a massive deja vu that I can literally fall asleep while listening to it. I wouldn't miss a thing and I wouldn't care at all.


I think it's actually the most overrated song of this decade. Even more overrated than for example :it: 2017. And that's my opinion that I won't change. I stand behind every word that I ever wrote.


That is not "hating" on the song, however, and if someone has a problem with such opinion that is not an issue for me nor for other people who don't like the song as much as they are told they should.


And labeling people is very bad, it's something that we are strictly against on this forum. It doesn't do any favors at all.
 

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I believe that only Portugal or a very bad staging can stop Netherlands from winning.
 
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