THE FINAL. DISCUSSION

[LakZaNokte]

listen what i blv...here in the forum, we are the euro-freaks we listen and listen to songs,talk abt them for months etc etc etc

it is clear though that many times,the average viewer+voter,has a rather different way of comprehending songs...for me ,estonia has never been a fav,was way too childish for my taste,but i could see people loving it here / for my country i was reading -from the majority-the worst comments /and i see today greece ended first(!!!) in semi final, and 7th in the final ,againsy all odds!!so what i mean is that many times,vast numbers of people may totally change the perception we hv in the forum

I know...

btw, I was the only 1 here that declared greece a winner of 1st semi
I was also prediciting estonia as (likely) winner

maybe I have multiple personalities lol.

 

[Scooby]

This was the ex Soviet night, end they prepare to us a fabulous show.
Truly shameful votes from Ex SSSR - they exchanged all the highest points with each others (excluding baltic states).
Congratulation guys, you are really amazing!!!!

 

[goktengri]

I do that sign too ...and a lot of my friends as well, just out of habbit I guess because we see it on tv too much... actually it's not a cool sign anymore becuz it's been overused by everyone on this planet lol and some people say the sign is an evil sign or whatever XD

I make both of these hand gestures so I think I know the difference between them well. I don't mind if he did rock or gray wolf because I love both but I just think he made gray wolf gesture. Hopefully he will explain it

 

[Margerita86]

Maybe not you, but your country usually give their points to other Scandinavian/Nordic countries. And Spain receives the 12p from Portugal and Andorra (and surprisingly this year from France), and the Balkan/Baltic/Ex-USSR/British countries give their points each other. Even with the juries :?

I also believe that they have to do something to change the neighbour vote, last years with a clear favourite it was less obvious, but years like this one...

Tell me about it Atsu, I'm never really surprised with our top votes, although some years they are more deserved than others.

 

[panosv]

this year's contest was weird.
Azer tried many times to win with strong entries but failed and now with this indifferent performance and Turkeys surprise (?) absence from the final which helped them gain some of their votes, finally won as it had to be their turn this time.
Ukraine brought a real artist and a great art on stage but that wasn't the singer or the song... didn't matter anyway.
Italy in second place with this song just because they came back.
My country always seems to have top 10 success even with an experimental song like this year and I don't know if I must be proud when I'm seeing the same countries vote for us every year no matter what the song is like (if it wasn't Italy's comeback to steal some of our points then Greece would be top5 again). I'm proud for my country's voting though (12p FRA, 10p ITA, 8p GEO, 7 UKR, 6 SWE, 5 AZE, 4 GER, 3 B&H, 2 UK, 1 RUS - something for everyone).
Who are they putting for juries when countries like Azer, Ukraine, Sweden with mediocre songs and voices are placed so high? Noone needs music studies to understand that these entries are nothing special but somehow thanks to the juries they battled for the win.
The jury vote must be based on music criteria not another political-bloc camouflage voting. This is the only way to save us from seeing bloc and cheesy entries to have success. If countries put celebrities, euro-fans, presenters etc on their juries then nothing changes and the bloc party will continue to dominate. By this I don't mean that entries like France or Italy must win the contest (I didn't want France to come first and Azer had better song imo from both FRA and ITA) but it would have more credibility and interest. I'm happy with Denmark, Bosnia, Georgia and Italy even if it was highly overated.
That's all folks. Congrats . See you all next year.

 

[AlekS]

This was the ex Soviet night, end they prepare to us a fabulous show.
Truly shameful votes from Ex SSSR - they exchanged all the highest points with each others (excluding baltic states).
Congratulation guys, you are really amazing!!!!

We have no right to have our taste? Maybe you should look at yourself and all those points to Dinio Merlin from ex-Yu?
Don't worry. I'm not not gonna be ashamed of voting for my fave no matter if you call it a shame

I liked/voted for Georgia and I'm happy that we gave them 12pts

 

[PashonFrut]

I make both of these hand gestures so I think I know the difference between them well. I don't mind if he did rock or gray wolf because I love both but I just think he made gray wolf gesture. Hopefully he will explain it

lol can't you see he is not doing the grey wolf sign? why do people bring politics into everything? that's not a grey wolf sign because he is not making a wolf gesture he is doing the rock n roll sign. I'm sure Obama makes grey wolf gestures as well .. please.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

This was the ex Soviet night, end they prepare to us a fabulous show.
Truly shameful votes from Ex SSSR - they exchanged all the highest points with each others (excluding baltic states).
Congratulation guys, you are really amazing!!!!

Scooby, I agree but it was no different with the ex-Yugoslavian countries either . With both ex-USSR and ex-Yugoslavia countries I could look at the scoreboard and for a lot of the time I was exactly right for who they voted for. Such a shame .

 

[Isabella]

I'm proud of Croatian votes Last year 12 to Turkey and this year only 7 points for Bosnia. I'm surprised, cause I expected 12 for Dino

 

[goktengri]

lol can't you see he is not doing the grey wolf sign? why do people bring politics into everything? that's not a grey wolf sign because he is not making a wolf gesture he is doing the rock n roll sign. I'm sure Obama makes grey wolf gestures as well .. please.

Gray wolf is a common traditional gesture of Turks and has nothing to do with politics. And why are you nervous about that sign ? I said I don't mind it. People just think so and I just think it looks like gray wolf too. If he did Rock'n roll, it is also good

 

[AngryAnt]

This was the ex Soviet night, end they prepare to us a fabulous show.
Truly shameful votes from Ex SSSR - they exchanged all the highest points with each others (excluding baltic states).
Congratulation guys, you are really amazing!!!!

Thought this aswell.

Congrats to Azerbaijan, hopefully you'll put on a great show next year

But (theres always a but)
The voting was pretty embarrassing tonight, thought juries would make it a bit more fair but it hasn't. I predicted most of the 8,10,12's by just going "So who's next to them" (not just the ex-USSR, pretty much every 'block' was doing it). Maybe in a few years people might notice how obvious it is, but i've a feeling some countries might need to pull out before it starts to lessen.

When it comes to Israel doing the most unpolitical voting, you know somethings a wee bit wrong .
Massive thumbs up to Italy! Did not see that one coming, grats to them!

Also, i don't really think the best song won (and im not saying the UK should have, just saying i dont think the best song on the night won).

 

[AlekS]

Scooby, I agree but it was no different with the ex-Yugoslavian countries either . With both ex-USSR and ex-Yugoslavia countries I could look at the scoreboard and for a lot of the time I was exactly right for who they voted for. Such a shame .

Insert YOUR shame somewhere else.
And have some respect to our taste.
My country gave points to your entry. Probably that's a shame too

 

[PashonFrut]

Gray wolf is a common traditional gesture of Turks and has nothing to do with politics. And why are you nervous about that sign ? I said I don't mind it. People just think so and I just think it looks like gray wolf too. If he did Rock'n roll, it is also good

nervous? I'm not nervous about anything lol I'm just saying what he is doing, it's not that hard to figure it out. Many people have been doing it ... and I can't even believe we are even discussing it. But anyway, if it makes you happy to think that its a grey wolf, then let it be a grey wolf sign.

 

[LakZaNokte]

I'm proud of Croatian votes Last year 12 to Turkey and this year only 7 points for Bosnia. I'm surprised, cause I expected 12 for Dino

I was very surprised as well. really didn't see that coming, figured it was 12 locked

 

[tkrisz]

Big disappointment. The good songs finished mainly in the middle or bottom.

 

[adnar]

I wonder if Armenia participates in 2012. I guess not

On Ictimai TV there was a woman speaking in Russian and she pointed out "Boom Boom" as very agressive and with boxing routine...

I am scared many delegations won't come to Baku.

 

[goktengri]

nervous? I'm not nervous about anything lol I'm just saying what he is doing, it's not that hard to figure it out. Many people have been doing it ... and I can't even believe we are even discussing it. But anyway, if it makes you happy to think that its a grey wolf, then let it be a grey wolf sign.

I think I can recognize a rock or gray wolf sign ( as a strong rocker and who was been in many concerts of famous metal bands )

 

[Sabiondo]

The picture of the winners:

 

[LakZaNokte]

Scooby, I agree but it was no different with the ex-Yugoslavian countries either . With both ex-USSR and ex-Yugoslavia countries I could look at the scoreboard and for a lot of the time I was exactly right for who they voted for. Such a shame .

I can understad u guys cause block voting really isn't fair and it is hard for any1 outside blocks to win
+ u don't have a block. (on the other hand, we "have a block" and look at us for the last decade. we would probably be better off without it lol cause it can't be much worse)

not sure what was my point here

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Insert YOUR shame somewhere else.
And have some respect to our taste.

I have respect for people's taste of course, but I dont have respect when Im able to say, for instance Bosnia and Herzegovina voting, oh lets see who've they've voted for, right so they've not voted for Slovenia and Serbia so they'll get the top two, and of course they did. Same thing for many countries, for instance Georgia's - Lithuania, Russia and Ukraine.

As for shame, I think you know it's shame when results are greeted with boos as several were tonight. And Im not attacking Ukraine or Eastern Europe or anything, you can do the same thing with the Scandinavian countries usually.

There's nothing exciting about such voting, everybody knows what's gunna happen, I thought such ways had got boring in 2009. As for United Kingdom's result, it's nothing to do with how we've finished, I've never claimed that we were hard done by or there was dodgy voting last year when we finished last.