Televotes vs. Juries - Your guess

[katapult]

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[FallenAngelII]

Well, San Marino is in Italy, you know. I don't find it strange that they have similar taste in music. Take any country within a 'neighbourhood' and you'll see the same thing..maybe they won't agree on all countries all the time but they will on many. Ex yugos, ex soviets, Scandinavians. For example, Croatia and Slovenia voted for 9/10 same countries in the final..Albania, Russia, B&H, Italy, Sweden, Germany, F.Y.R. Macedonia, Serbia and Moldova..they only 'disagreed' on Ireland and Iceland. Does that mean they had agreed on the votes beforehand? Or that they just have similar taste? Even if you 'justify' some of those points with 'neighbour voting', there are still countries in there that were voted simply because they were liked by both nations.

The Italian and San Marinese juries consisted of 10 different people. You're saying those 10 professional just happened to like mostly the same songs? When they're all paid by the same people?

 

[Sim]

The Italian and San Marinese juries consisted of 10 different people. You're saying those 10 professional just happened to like mostly the same songs? When they're all paid by the same people?

It's possible not?
They are neighbours, both speak Italian, so they're is a chance that they have similar taste no?
And don't exact results anymore, but don't think they voted for the same 10 countries with the same points.

 

[busybee]

Have the Italian jury votes been revealed? I only remember to have seen the televoting results of Italy.

 

[rajo]

ITALY

Grand Final Televoting:


1 Romania 28.32%
2 Albania 12.92%
3 Moldova 11.22%
4 Serbia 7.39%
5 Russia 5.23%
6 FYR Macedonia 3.66%
7 Ukraine 3.13%
8 Sweden 3.12%
9 Turkey 2.79%
10 Germany 2.43%
11 Spain 2.38%
12 Lithuania 2.36%
13 Greece 2.28%
14 Cyprus 1.86%
15 Iceland 1.74%
16 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.43%
17 Denmark 1.25%
18 Malta 1.25%
19 Ireland 1.13%
20 Estonia 1.05%
21 Azerbaijan 0.68%
22 Hungary 0.66%
23 France 0.65%
24 Norway 0.61%
25 United Kingdom 0.46%


Semifinal 1 televoting percentages:


1 Romania 27.22%
2 Albania 13.87%
3 Moldova 9.97%
4 San Marino 8.55%
5 Russia 6.32%
6 Greece 4.67%
7 Switzerland 4.61%
8 Iceland 3.90%
9 Cyprus 3.80%
10 Ireland 3.38%
11 Finland 2.52%
12 Israel 2.19%
13 Hungary 2.09%
14 Latvia 2.00%
15 Montenegro 1.54%
16 Austria 1.36%
17 Denmark 1.25%
18 Belgium 0.77%

 

[busybee]

Yes, those are the results I've seen. So, we don't know how the jury voted. We can make some assumptions but there can always be countries in a jury vote that don't appear anywhere in the combined results.

 

[rajo]

An educated guess (or rather a calculation) on the Italian jury vote in the Semifinal

12 - Albania
10 - Denmark
08 - Cyprus
07 - Romania
06 - Switzerland
05 - Iceland
04 - Greece
03 - ??? / Ireland
02 - Russia
01 - San Marino
00 - Moldova, maybe Ireland

 

[Franco]

9 countries gave Sweden 6 points and less.

See? The conspiracy widens!
Why did they give less than 7 points while all the others gave more? That's fishy.

 

[rajo]

Here is the calculated jury vote on the final from Italy (weird one):

12 - Germany
10 - Cyprus
08 - Albania
07 - Russia
06 - Denmark
05 - Serbia
04 - ????? (not FYROM, Moldova, Romania, Sweden or Turkey)
03 - max. Turkey or ???
02 - Ukraine
01 - max. Sweden or ???
00 - Romania, Moldova, FYROM, maybe Sweden and Turkey

 

[FallenAngelII]

Yes, those are the results I've seen. So, we don't know how the jury voted. We can make some assumptions but there can always be countries in a jury vote that don't appear anywhere in the combined results.

We can make some educated guesses.

 

[rajo]

I already elaborated on it.....

 

[busybee]

We can make some educated guesses.

Sure, we can but, like I said, countries with low points from the juries (and from the televoters) many times don't appear at all in the results and there's no way to guess who they can be.

 

[watersoup]

Italy pretty much matched San Marino almost vote-for-vote, which looks strange when 2 supposedly independent juries were voting. There's no way the 10 of them came to almost the exact same conclusions. And the differences are probably due to the Italian televote throwing a wrench in their shady plans.

Italy:
12 Albania
10 Russia
8 Germany
7 Romania
6 Serbia
5 Cyprus
4 Moldova
3 Ukraine
2 Denmark
1 Macedonia

San Marino:
12 Albania
10 Russia
8 Moldova
7 Italy
6 Serbia
5 Turkey
4 Azerbaijan
3 Sweden
2 Malta
1 Spain

Once you get past the top two, those are not almost exactly the same at all. Italy gave points to Germany, Romania, Cyprus, Ukraine, Denmark and Macedonia so over half of their top 10 was nowhere to be seen in San Marino's

 

[stephanos13]

When they are expecting to reveal the split votes ? 2 weeks passed form the grand final and they didn't reveal anything.

Last year results revealed 12 days after the grand final.

 

[A-lister]

The fact that Portuguese jury gave 5pts to Georgia and zero to Sweden (the winner), proves my point about juries being incompetent

 

[rajo]

When they are expecting to reveal the split votes ? 2 weeks passed form the grand final and they didn't reveal anything.

Last year results revealed 12 days after the grand final.

Maybe the split vote is so awkward, and would raise to many questions..... :?

 

[Franco]

The fact that Portuguese jury gave 5pts to Georgia and zero to Sweden (the winner), proves my point about juries being incompetent

Not in the semifinal.
http://www.esctoday.com/?p=36617
Portuguese jury vote:
Semifinal 2:
12 – Estonia
10 – Serbia
8 – Bosnia – Herzegovina
7 – Slovakia
6 – Sweden
5 – Georgia
4 – Croatia
3 – Malta
2 – Belarus
1 – Slovenia

 

[EurovisionSmile]

ITALY

Grand Final Televoting:


1 Romania 28.32%
2 Albania 12.92%
3 Moldova 11.22%
4 Serbia 7.39%
5 Russia 5.23%
6 FYR Macedonia 3.66%
7 Ukraine 3.13%
8 Sweden 3.12%
9 Turkey 2.79%
10 Germany 2.43%
11 Spain 2.38%
12 Lithuania 2.36%
13 Greece 2.28%
14 Cyprus 1.86%
15 Iceland 1.74%
16 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.43%
17 Denmark 1.25%
18 Malta 1.25%
19 Ireland 1.13%
20 Estonia 1.05%
21 Azerbaijan 0.68%
22 Hungary 0.66%
23 France 0.65%
24 Norway 0.61%
25 United Kingdom 0.46%


Semifinal 1 televoting percentages:


1 Romania 27.22%
2 Albania 13.87%
3 Moldova 9.97%
4 San Marino 8.55%
5 Russia 6.32%
6 Greece 4.67%
7 Switzerland 4.61%
8 Iceland 3.90%
9 Cyprus 3.80%
10 Ireland 3.38%
11 Finland 2.52%
12 Israel 2.19%
13 Hungary 2.09%
14 Latvia 2.00%
15 Montenegro 1.54%
16 Austria 1.36%
17 Denmark 1.25%
18 Belgium 0.77%

Interesting results. It seems the Albanian entry has proved to be very popular among Italian televoters. So, I suppose all the haters will realize that the good result of this song wasn't only due to professional juries

 

[EurovisionSmile]

The fact that Portuguese jury gave 5pts to Georgia and zero to Sweden (the winner), proves my point about juries being incompetent

Hum, why? Is there any universal evidence that proves that 'Euphoria' is such a masterpiece that it couldn't be ignored by a professional jury? Don't get me wrong, I personally like this entry a lot, but really... :?

 

[EurovisionSmile]

When they are expecting to reveal the split votes ? 2 weeks passed form the grand final and they didn't reveal anything.

Last year results revealed 12 days after the grand final.

True, we are all looking forward to getting to know those split results. :?