FilipFromSweden
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When will all the jury and televoting results be out? It feels like EBU is milking it '' wrap up: Bulgarian entry '' are you going to take all 42 before the results!??!?
No, but a single point out of Italy wouldn't be much to ask for. And it's still suspicious how Italy, Portugal and San Marino all banded together and gave "Euphoria" so little to no points. People were concerned Eastern Europe would be Loreen's fall, but it was the Ibero-Italo Mafia that gave her her lowest scores. The fact that the Italian and San Marinese juries seem to have voted pretty much identically is also a bit suspect.
As expected. The way the Portuguese, San Marinese (jury only) and Italian juries voted was highly suspect. 3/3/0 (total) to Sweden. Italy and San Marino both awarded Albania 12. It's almost like they all banded together and deliberately gave Sweden low marks because they thought Italy stood a chance at beating Sweden.
Which means the Italian jury likely gave her 0 points. Highly suspect.http://escxtra.com/2012/06/televote-results-revealed/ Italian televoting
1) Then they're not doing their jobs.But what do you want?
You can't obey people to vote for a song because everyone else likes no?
You can turn it the way you want, the juries will always represent a bit of personal opinion.
Enough to give her 0 points (the most likely results from the Italian jury)?And if the jury in Italy and San Marino said: hmm it's a bit overhyped OR they "blamed" Loreen for the "snow-incident", what can you do about it?
To be less obvious? There was possibly some collusion involved since RAI controlled both juries. That their results were so similar is mysterious.That's quite stupid. Then, why didn't they give their 12 points to Italy?
Yes, it was. 8th with the televoters meant 3 points, which means that the juries likely gave her 0 points... while likely giving Russia 12. Sound jury voting?Look Fallen Angel, even in televote Sweden was 8th in Italy...
so it was not only the juries fault I presume...
Why were these announced together?The combined televote from Israel, Finland, Germany and Portugal
1. Russia
2. Sweden
3. Turkey
4. Spain
5. Moldova
6. Romania
7. Serbia
8. Azerbaijan
9. Estonia
10. Albania
But that is actually one of there foremost criteria: Whether or not a song has the potential to become a hit song. Also, it's suspect that there's so much overlap between the Italian and San Marinese jury votes. So these 10 people just happened to all like/dislike pretty much the same songs with a few exceptions?No matter what instructions the EBU gives the juries, the juries will vote, first and foremost, for songs they like. Just because a song is a potential hit, for example, it doesn't mean a jury has to vote for it. Sure, Sweden was liked by many people but no song is liked by everyone. It doesn't mean there was some conspiracy just because some juries didn't like Euphoria.
ESCToday wrote about the rules a few years back. Other sources also covered them. Either they all lied and the EBU never disputed them or the EBU covertly changed the rules without telling anyone. Or they still stand.Btw. FallenAngelII, you are again referring extensively to some background information about the jury instructions that you indicate to have. I would like to see those information in detail and your sources. The EBU rulebook only mentions a 'green document' for specifics, which I so far have been unable to dig up. I have already made this request to you, but there was no response.
When did I ever claim that? They still have some clear instructions. If it's just a free-for-all "Vote for whatever you like", then you're basically handing over 50% of the power to the personal tastes of 210 people.This conspirancy theory sounds silly, really... And besides, do you really believe there's no personal taste involved in how the jury votes?
Again: I never said there was no subjectivity involved.What you say sounds as if quality is something very objective, if it was, all juries would give exactly the same points to a song. When did you see something like that happen?
I must agree many jury groups are not doing their jobs. How could Moldova finish 12th in the final and 10th in the semifinal 2011? Almost every song was better then that song. It feels like they voted for the country, not for the song. And Georgian jury group is just wrong. They voted so Lithuania and Belarus got 12 points, still their songs sucked? POLITICSThen they're not doing their jobs
The jurys have to be composed by young and old people I thinkSo, RAI jury gave points to Cyprus? I'm impressed, I never expected these 50+ year old people to vote for us!
Again: I never said there was no subjectivity involved.
However, seeing as how it's so subjective, it's funny how the San Marinese and Italian juries agreed so much with each other.
You do however realize that its ridiculous that you're doing such a dramatic drama because 3 and only 3 countries out of 42 gave less than 7 points to your country........you're actually starting a conspiracy theory because SM and PT gave Sweden 3 and Italy 0...its ridiculous!
Your country won with a difference of more than 100 points to the 2nd...be happy with that!
God I wouldnt want to be next to you in May 2010 for sure!
I must agree many jury groups are not doing their jobs. How could Moldova finish 12th in the final and 10th in the semifinal 2011? Almost every song was better then that song. It feels like they voted for the country, not for the song. And Georgian jury group is just wrong. They voted so Lithuania and Belarus got 12 points, still their songs sucked? POLITICS