Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Realest]

UK wouldnt have won without the war to be frank im still confused as to why we did as well as we did but your second point is funny to me, yes with the juries that were proven to have engaged in corruption Slo Mo would have won the jury but why do you want corrupt juries points to be kept

No, I meant if they replace the 6 Juries with their Countries Televotes instead of an aggregate substitute Juryvote like it will be the Case this Year, Spain would have been 2nd...

Juryvote in this Case:

Combined Vote:

 

[Realest]

They performed in one of the sweetest slots, decided by the producers with their worst entry ever. This song should have performed 15th and not 25th.
in the semi the juries put Voices higher than Discotheque and almost as high as Shum. This irrelevant song is massively overrated and 14th place not a fair evaluation.

As I said, performing after the Winner is always a bad Spot.
Tusse was a clear standout between the female Bop-Singer in their silver Dresses and in the Final, much worse Songs got more Jurypoints than him..If anything the Juries underrated him in the Final.

 

[Ezio]

United Kingdom got many unsolicited 12 jury points from countries who are in the same pot with Ukraine. but why did Ukraine give 12 points to UK? political gratitude, the USA/NATO/UK support and returnimg the favour. And then Azerbaijan and Romania get their fake vote derived off of it.
Yes Spain was the correct runner up then.
Political votes are a fact and not tinfoil conspiracy. Bosnia heaped their high scores to Austria for lousy songs no one else liked, because we helped them the most in war. Or Bulgaria 12 points to us twice in a row for Symphonix support.

also winning favorites blanking each other in the jury vote, like Portugal and Bulgaria in 2017, or Spain throwing their 12 points away to Azerbaijan last year.

jury votes are not fair when politics get involved, be it for gratitude or for not spoiling their winning chances, and Ukraine’s one-off gift vote to the UK rigged a lot of votes in the favour of UK.

 

[Realest]

It's what Trenuletul deserves

True, if it competed in a weaker Year.
But didnt you dislike it?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

wrong thread

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

So you think Moldova is the real Televote Winner?

Maybe Ukraine would have won the televote, but certainly with far less tele points and less jury support = not a guaranteed overall winner.
Anyway, lets go back to Sweden, I wasn't even trying to shade the ukrainian song anyway, my point was that if Space man came close to winning thanks mostly to the juries, Tattoo can too ( and its more televote friendly than Space man ) so Loreen definitely stands a chance at winning

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Your opinions don’t matter to me because you don’t matter to me because you are just always arguing on a personal level. Bye girl, and dont worry about my business

Then why on a forum? Just go talk to a wall instead

 

[A-lister]

*double post*

 

[A-lister]

*double post*

 

[A-lister]

I didn’t attack you personally, you did to me and now I will absolutely attack you personally. You are nasty and I don’t want to engage in a conversation at all with you

you tried to smear my character, which is what you usually do when you don’t like what someone says. I say Sweden this Sweden that, you say I am whinin, which adds nothing to the topic because it’s just a personal attack.

i am not here for personal interactions. not a bit. I actually genuinely don’t care about people on the interwebs. I only post to get the thoughts out of my head, and what other people think is not important to me. And what other people feel they gotta say about me, is just unnecessary banter. ESC stands for Eurovision Song Contest and not for Ezio Scathing Competition. It just makes me look down on people the more they attack me.

Stop projecting and look at yourself in a mirror. I didn't personally attack you while you just call me nasty, a bad person and what not

And all this because I called out your whining about Sweden in the contest..

Why do you even spend time on a discussion forum if you don't care, anyways seeing how triggered you get you clearly do care

 

[ESC_Peggy]

I don’t know why you’re all suddenly complaining about the UK when we would have been celebrating coming 3rd or 5th or whatever.

I’m still not wowed by Loreen’s song or the panini staging but Eurofans have already decided she’s won.

 

[gigi_copp3]

So you think Moldova is the real Televote Winner?

I have a strange opinion about that.
People had chosen Ukraine as the winner, but if there were normal situation, the televote winner wouldn't have been neither Ukraine or Moldova, but... Spain! Chanel would have stolen the scene in that week (like Kalush actually did, like Maneskin did before, ecc.), and people would have chose her as the winner. I feel both Moldova and Ukraine would have got kinda the same as Shum got the year before.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Maybe Ukraine would have won the televote, but certainly with far less tele points and less jury support = not a guaranteed overall winner.
Anyway, lets go back to Sweden, I wasn't even trying to shade the ukrainian song anyway, my point was that if Space man came close to winning thanks mostly to the juries, Tattoo can too ( and its more televote friendly than Space man ) so Loreen definitely stands a chance at winning

Tattoo is not at all more appealing to the public.

Spaceman was a song reminiscent of some classic British pop bangers the whole world loves from the Beatles, Sir Elton John to Robbie Williams.

This Loreen's song is just way too long power ballad with no chorus or hook, that Spaceman had had.

Establishing a parallel btw these 2 songs is insulting undeservedly the masterpiece that Sam had served.

And regarding Moldova last year, it was also a political entry denouncing Moldova's Russian identity and pronouncing it a Romanian country.

So yes, the 2nd song with televote was also a political choice as much as Ukraine was according to some narrowminded approach.

Just those trolls obssessed with Ukraine hadn't quite catch it because they don't know where is Moldova on the map.

 

[simori95]

So funny with you always humping my back, and the next moment you say, oh Tusse was Kinda generic, still pointing the finger at me. This abominal song got 14th, and a great slot in the running order. please keep pointing fingers at me. It’s ridonculous.

Sweden has always gotten quite fair results in my opinion tbh. Like yes, a certain level of generity is always present in their entries, but that applies to 90% of all entries in Eurovision and even more so in the charts of the world. Furthermore, in my opinion there was still at least SOME character or more like memorability to them and they’re almost always hella catchy. That, paired with excellent production, mostly good vocals and interesting staging concepts is indeed more often than not a pretty good recipe for both jury and televote. As seen in recent years, Sweden can still not excel at the televote when the song just isn’t to the liking of the majority (ingrosso, Stjernberg) or get a little left behind by the jurors when the whole package is a little weaker than usual (Tusse, and by that I mean failing to make the Jury Top 10, which by swedish standards is already a pretty Bad result; however by all means Tusse still had an overall good final product, so it has nothing to do with any bias that he didn’t place even lower, it’s not like he should really objectively have been left in the semi or something. If Sweden sends even worse stuff, they will also do worse than Tusse did), so I don’t necessarily see a swedish bias in either jurors or voters. In my mind, it also makes perfect sense that Ingrosso scored so high with the jurors although he tanked with the public; the package, whether one likes it or not, was still incredibly well made and executed.

Now, talking about Running Order. I absolutely don‘t like the system that we have right now, because it indeed favors favorites. However, Sweden profits that much from it because they’re almost always favorites for the win, not because they’re Sweden. Sure, there is always a hype for Sweden, but Sweden also lives up to it. If they ever sent something abysmal (by majority vote standards I mean, of course everyone has personal definitions of abysmal), they would plummet in the odds just like Germany did after they announced EC weren’t in the NF.

 

[Franzilein]

"Six Feet Under" is well worthy of being my winner. And because one of the composers, Linnea Deb is so diligently updating her own wikipedia page, (i assume it's her, but i don't have any proof ) I can tell you that this is 12th time that i loved one of her songs the most. 5 of which are from Sweden.

O my, you're right, I didn't even notice she was involved among all the names in the title card (& hers was shortened to L. Deb as well), but that makes so much sense. No wonder Six Feet Under is my favourite when she was involved in so many great songs like Silver Night or Statements

 

[MopManMoss]

Tbh the thing that surprised me most about this melfest was seeing a rock song go straight to the final

 

[CPV4931]

Is anyone else going to Melfest final and the Melfest WKND Partys btw? So looking forward to that weekend again :-)

 

[DanielLuis]

Is "Tattoo" kind of mid and even a bit repetitive? Sure, it is. But there's no denying that it's catchy and it sticks in your brain immediately, and the buildup is quite good with a great pay-off at the end, something that has actually been lacking a lot in Melfest entries in the past few years
There's also no denying that the staging is unique and a complete moment, there won't be anyone watching in May that will reach the end of the show and forget what performance Sweden sent or the song. There's also no denying the artistic quality that the staging brings to the table, it's really beautiful and very well done
And above all there's no denying the star quality and power that Loreen has. She is incredibly captivating, I had honestly forgotten how amazing she is as a live performer. She brings such intensity and emotion to every single performance she makes, and it all comes across as very genuine, not manufactured and plastic like 90% of the Melfest artists. There's always a raw feeling of emotion when Loreen performs, no matter how generic the song behind it is or not.
"Tattoo" definitely isn't an Eurovision winner by itself, but with the amazing staging and the amazing and captivating way thar Loreen performs you're a fool to deny that the overall package gives winner vibes. I predict something like a 2nd/3rd place in the televoting, a win in the jury, and an overall win as the songs finishing above her in the televoting will probably be songs that will be quit be quite punished by the juries.

 

[HarryUK]

Do not complain about the UK getting 'unsolicited' 12 points when we got a double 0 the previous year, thank you very much

 

[HarryUK]

Tattoo is also at #14 on UK iTunes right now. That is absolutely unprecedented and I've not seen a Melfest entry gain such traction in the UK so quickly after their competing heat...