Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Maria Sur as winner of Melodifestivalen would be characteristic for this years edition up until now because it's really just a basic song trying to impress with the story behind it and I don't think anyone will fall for it at Eurovision

I just don’t understand why fans are attacking her authenticity. She’s a Ukrainian refugee with a father who’s a soldier. A song about not giving up doesn’t seem very forced to me

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The epitome of a plastic song. Lazy attempt at moving people with super cringy lyrics and full of eurovision cliches.

I don't see why you're complaining when Stefarnia is your profile pic

 

[Deleted member 12761]

I don't understand the hate for her either. Her song will shine especially in a weak year like this. But let's wait for Loreen. I wouldn't mind her winning if her song is excellent.

 

[empo21]

I think Maria is the one to beat. She has potential to do a Tusse/Anders Bagge type televote sweep and I think the jury will back her up as well (unlike Bagge).

Loreen has to have a very strong entry in order to get the televotes. CB comparing Tattoo to her 2012-2013 songs is both promising and scary tbh.

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

I think Maria is the one to beat. She has potential to do a Tusse/Anders Bagge type televote sweep and I think the jury will back her up as well (unlike Bagge).

Loreen has to have a very strong entry in order to get the televotes. CB comparing Tattoo to her 2012-2013 songs is both promising and scary tbh.

Its not only about the song, we dont know how Loreen's staging will be. I am sure they arent going to just let her stand on stage and sing, they must have came up with something. With a great staging concept, she can win

 

[I bims]

Now knowing that Loreen's song is good, I'm sure she will win.
She had the most beloved ESC winner song and more name recognition, that will definetly do more.

Bagge lost despite the backstory but he was also famous. Maria wasn't. And his song and vocal performance was also better than Maria's song and performance. All she has is the backstory and that carried her through a DREADFUL heat. But that won't be enough to beat Loreen with a banger song and great vocal performance.

You also can't compare Maria to Tusse, because he has so much more charisma, appealed to younger voters and the gays and Voices was just the strongest overall package.

 

[Mainshow]

Maria´s performance was fine but I still dislike the song - it´s not that bad (since it got quite a nice hook) and the camera work was great (especially in the middle 8 part as already mentioned).

The song´s theme might be very authentic but the overall package is not (in my opinion).
I don´t know her and her taste in music but she´s got one of the most formulaic and basic and generic (also when it comes to the lyrics, the metaphors) entries. It might be tailored - very fast (thinking of her) but it feels like she didn´t have a single input in that song - like she had to give up her identity/origin when she entered Melodifestivalen.
Maybe add a sound which doesn´t scream Melodifestivalen reject from 10 years ago?
Or add a personal message (could be a single phrase in Ukrainian) to her father (if you really want to take her personal story into account).

There are many melodies and instruments in Ukraine.. it worked for Azerbaijan many times (Swedish productions/songs but they still add something unique into their entries).

The song´s melody, the song´s lyrics just feel like Laurell Barker wrote a song in less than 10 minutes.

 

[I bims]

Maria´s performance was fine but I still dislike the song - it´s not that bad (since it got quite a nice hook) and the camera work was great (especially in the middle 8 part as already mentioned).

The song´s theme might be very authentic but the overall package is not (in my opinion).
I don´t know her and her taste in music but she´s got one of the most formulaic and basic and generic (also when it comes to the lyrics, the metaphors) entries. It might be tailored - very fast (thinking of her) but it feels like she didn´t have a single input in that song - like she had to give up her identity/origin when she entered Melodifestivalen.
Maybe add a sound which doesn´t scream Melodifestivalen reject from 10 years ago?
Or add a personal message (could be a single phrase in Ukrainian) to her father (if you really want to take her personal story into account).

There are many melodies and instruments in Ukraine.. it worked for Azerbaijan many times (Swedish productions/songs but they still add something unique into their entries).

The song´s melody, the song´s lyrics just feel like Laurell Barker wrote a song in less than 10 minutes.

I'm sure she applied without a song and then had the chance to pick a song from a selection of songs that were submitted by songwriters. A lot of those submitted songs, without a singer, sit in the desk for years until they get used, that's why a lot of them sound so dated. And this could've been the best song they had to offer her from the selection. (She probably got to select from a pre-filtered selection that were viewed by staff as winner songs).

She probably didn't have the resources (or possibly just not the time) to then get a good producer to tailor it specifically to fit her. (legally some songs are also not allowed to be altered without the original producers permission or input. A very time consuming process.) They just recorded her vocals, someone slapped it together and that's it.

 

[Bobjan FR]

I'm a bit surprised that people think Loreen will win... Ok, i know that people are disappointed with the level of this melodifestivalen until now but.... You forgot what happened in 2017 ? Or maybe you consider that statement wasn't a song strong enough ? ...

 

[I bims]

I'm a bit surprised that people think Loreen will win... Ok, i know that people are disappointed with the level of this melodifestivalen until now but.... You forgot what happened in 2017 ? Or maybe you consider that statement wasn't a song strong enough ? ...

Statements was disjointed and not really accessible. The staging was also very confusing.
"Tattoo" is said to be more like Euphoria, a catchy uptempo dance song. We don't know the staging but we know that Loreen can perform and sing. That's why I'm very confident that she will win.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think Maria is the one to beat. She has potential to do a Tusse/Anders Bagge type televote sweep and I think the jury will back her up as well (unlike Bagge).

Loreen has to have a very strong entry in order to get the televotes. CB comparing Tattoo to her 2012-2013 songs is both promising and scary tbh.

Loreen was in her prime at that time. (Re)listen to Crying Out Your Name, In My Head or Everytime. Absolutely fantastic.

Also I know we won’t get a second Euphoria, but I doubt anyone who heard Euphoria behind the scenes in 2012 was like yeah Sweden’s winning Eurovision, it was something that grew over time. Loreen didn’t even get the most votes out of all 32 acts competing in heat 1-4 in Melfest 2012. Danny Saucedo received 222k votes, compared to Loreen’s 160k

 

[0scar]

I just don’t understand why fans are attacking her authenticity. She’s a Ukrainian refugee with a father who’s a soldier. A song about not giving up doesn’t seem very forced to me

Her story is authentic and the theme of the song is very fitting, I'm not denying that. For sure I feel for her, and she should be vocal about this matter if she likes, because it is important and with her audience she can reach a lot of people. That's a good thing!

The problem I have is with the song - which is, despite the fitting theme, quite basic. I agree with what @Mainshow wrote.

 

[Ezio]

The hypocrisy of Eurovision fans: whining about us always sending a certain type of pop but not supporting us when we send really different entries like 2007 and 2009

Because 2007 and 2009 were not compelling enough to vote for it. Actually both songs shouldn't have qualified at all. I'd rather listen to Sweden 2010 for 10 hours than Sweden 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 or 2009 for just 10 seconds.

 

[Mainshow]

Heat 2 was the least-watched Melodifestivalen event since 2006.

🇸🇪 Sweden: Melodifestivalen 2023 Heat Two Least-Watched Since 2006 - Eurovoix

Melodifestivalen 2023 Heat Two was the least-watched second heat since the 2006 contest.

eurovoix.com

Like , the head of delegation in Sweden needs to be bolder and less out of touch regarding potential entries for Melodifestivalen (the show is still top-notch, Sweden is still successful at Eurovision). The decreasing viewing figures (and quite a "new low" some sort of) highlight what we fans have been saying for a while now.

Overall the figures represent the third lowest number of viewers for a second Heat of Melodifestivalen since audience data has been tracked. The last time viewers were lower was in 2006 when the contest clashed with the Winter Olympics in Turin, Italy.

 

[empo21]

Heat 2 was the least-watched Melodifestivalen event since 2006.

🇸🇪 Sweden: Melodifestivalen 2023 Heat Two Least-Watched Since 2006 - Eurovoix

Melodifestivalen 2023 Heat Two was the least-watched second heat since the 2006 contest.

eurovoix.com

Like , the head of delegation in Sweden needs to be bolder and less out of touch regarding potential entries for Melodifestivalen (the show is still top-notch, Sweden is still successful at Eurovision). The decreasing viewing figures (and quite a "new low" some sort of) highlight what we fans have been saying for a while now.

Heat 1 also had the worst ratings for a long time, right? Or am I imagining things

Heat 2 doing worse is big yikes

 

[Ezio]

Low viewing figures are the right answer to this bloated selection of generic meh, when the winner is already supposed to be someone. They should just nominate Loreen internally, when they want her so bad, but they try to milk the cash cow of open televoting lines long as possible. It's actual fraudulent behaviour, and the public should just troll SVT and vote in droves for a shit show. Loreen is gonna be saved by IJ anyways.

 

[I bims]

Is the general public listening to the snippets beforehand? Could the quality of the songs really then impact the viewing figures?
Could Anders Bagge losing last year, as the televote winner, be a factor, because some people are therefore butthurt?
Or is it conservative viewers boycotting the show, because it prominently features a trans singer (who also does well in the votes)?

Are there figures what demographic stopped watching? Is it because less younger audiences tune in, as it is usually, or is it a older generation not watching anymore?

 

[Realest]

The Competition is too strong with previous Heats, so therefore it is no Shame to get worse Viewing Figures.

 

[Mrm]

@A-lister

How are you satisfied with Maria Sur? it is freakin unbeliavable how the perfromance is so similar to Tusse Chiza - "Voices" even the way and time backings appear on the stage is almost the same. Love how Swedish audience "swallow" these "stories" and such songs..

 

[tsegaye]

Is the general public listening to the snippets beforehand? Could the quality of the songs really then impact the viewing figures?
Could Anders Bagge losing last year, as the televote winner, be a factor, because some people are therefore butthurt?
Or is it conservative viewers boycotting the show, because it prominently features a trans singer (who also does well in the votes)?

Are there figures what demographic stopped watching? Is it because less younger audiences tune in, as it is usually, or is it a older generation not watching anymore?

It's not really an established thing to listen to the snippets, the ones that do will probably watch the show on Saturday either way.