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Tastes differ and again this is the place to voice opinions and TALK ABOUT/DISCUSS them. I have no problem with people not liking an entry - I just can’t stand these meta-narratives that some (not all by any means) try to push.
Take us two: we have talked about our faves without anyone doing the „beleidigte Leberwurst“ afterwards.
The peace makerI just wanted to neutralize the heated atmosphere here a bit and to show my point of view on that mater.
I hated that annoying song Occidentalis Karma, never saw what the fuss about it was, glad it didn't win. Was shit IMOAnd people calling out Italy for being excused by eurofans amd Sweden getting haters all the time even though they do the same thing. I have to say I actually agree with that. Eurofans hype Italy way too much, for example 2015, 2017, and even last year. 2017 was the worst hype ever, it didn't even finish in the top 5.
And people calling out Italy for being excused by eurofans amd Sweden getting haters all the time even though they do the same thing. I have to say I actually agree with that. Eurofans hype Italy way too much, for example 2015, 2017, and even last year. 2017 was the worst hype ever, it didn't even finish in the top 5.
But pop songs in English can be very different one from each other, I don't think that being cold toward what Sweden sends means "you have to do something entirely different". For exemple, I usually don't like that much Swedish entries, but I liked Hold me closer much more than tattoo. And it's still a pop song sung in English.And at the end Sweden is not obligated to send ethnic or out of the box entries just to please a loud minority who dislikes english pop.
I said that for people who constantly asking, especially Sweden, to send something completely out of what they usually send or what they want to send blaming them for not taking risks. Meanwhile this probably assumes that other countries could go safe like Sweden but they prefer to risk each year which is far from truth and in reality if most countries could send something like 'Tattoo' or 'Hold me closer' they would absolutely do.But pop songs in English can be very different one from each other, I don't think that being cold toward what Sweden sends means "you have to do something entirely different". For exemple, I usually don't like that much Swedish entries, but I liked Hold me closer much more than tattoo. And it's still a pop song sung in English.
I'm really not a hater of Sweden for being Sweden, but I barely watch Melodifestivalen anymore because I'm getting tired of the same singers coming each year and the same songwriters involved in multiple songs each year. I still like or love some songs but it has become a little boring to me, and I don't ask the Swedish broadcaster to artificially put all kind of music genres but just... a little bit more of fresh blood.
I do think that it's part of the reason giving to esc fan the impression that Sweden is always doing the same thing, as we follow national finals.
Tattoo isn't really a great song for me, and it's just tyring to read all the comments saying that if you don't like Tattoo it's because 1. you hate favourites ; 2. you hate Sweden ; 3. you hate Loreen ; 4. you're jealous, etc. When it comes to this song, it's just like people can't admit that there are people genuinely liking the song and there are also people genuinely not liking the song. (Loreen's performance and the staging are great, so I can understand why it could win, it's just the same thing for me than Heroes - I don't like the song but it's a good package.)
Thought I am the only one.I haven't been super fond of any of our entries since Frans really, but this year I'm really positive.
What really weirds me out in terms of the online discussion is the idea that some expect this to underperform in the televote? Too music video like some might say, but in my opinion this is much more closer to Sergey Lazarev than Benjamin Ingrosso.
And the song being "too generic" also doesn't make sense, Chanel last year scored so highly more or less entirerely based on the staging, and here we have a song that's already charting in multiple countries pre-contest with an equally impressive staging...
Fully expecting this to win both jury and tele, but hoping for an upset since I'd prefer someone who hasn't already won.
Hold me closer is based on her break-up while the rests are just wrote for the sake of ESC. And almost all the songwriters for Melfest making their yearly income from Melfest?Well, I said last year when people stated that Sweden finally sends something authentic and real, that at the end of the day, I couldn't
see what was the extreme difference between Hold Me Closer and their previous entries
Both Tattoo and Slo-mo are in my last placeI haven't been super fond of any of our entries since Frans really, but this year I'm really positive.
What really weirds me out in terms of the online discussion is the idea that some expect this to underperform in the televote? Too music video like some might say, but in my opinion this is much more closer to Sergey Lazarev than Benjamin Ingrosso.
And the song being "too generic" also doesn't make sense, Chanel last year scored so highly more or less entirerely based on the staging, and here we have a song that's already charting in multiple countries pre-contest with an equally impressive staging...
Fully expecting this to win both jury and tele, but hoping for an upset since I'd prefer someone who hasn't already won.
But... they didn't? It's very noticeable and they can't shoot the whole thing as a close up. People will see the box and it just looks very small even without knowing the original size. It just doesn't look right, there's not enough space.and the camera shots will make up for the size of the new ones.