Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[GermanBango]

Well, let´s not pretend that you didn´t contribute your part to this atmosphere.


You know, I´ve been kinda critical to in the past few years but not because I "hate" the country but simply due to the fact that most of their songs were part of genres I´m not that enthusiastic about. But that can change of course every year, I kinda liked Cornelia last year and didn´t even rate Loreen this year badly (), I just find the hype a bit "too much" for my taste.

On the other side I liked most songs from since their comeback, but that doesn´t mean that the country has a "free pass" and that I give them immediately, everyone who knows me knows that I really HATE that ceesy thing that won the televote in 2015 and even their winning song in 2021 was also just "ok" for me, even though I really liked their energy on stage.

What I wanted to say: Just because you´re critical of a countrys entry doesn´t mean that you "hate" the country and autmatically "love" another one no matter what they send. The world is not just black and white, it´s all the different shades that make it great.

And now I hope that this doesn´t escalate even further. I wish all of you a happy Eurovision 2023.

Tastes differ and again this is the place to voice opinions and TALK ABOUT/DISCUSS them. I have no problem with people not liking an entry - I just can’t stand these meta-narratives that some (not all by any means) try to push.

Take us two: we have talked about our faves without anyone doing the „beleidigte Leberwurst“ afterwards.

 

[ESC94]

Tastes differ and again this is the place to voice opinions and TALK ABOUT/DISCUSS them. I have no problem with people not liking an entry - I just can’t stand these meta-narratives that some (not all by any means) try to push.

Take us two: we have talked about our faves without anyone doing the „beleidigte Leberwurst“ afterwards.

I just wanted to neutralize the heated atmosphere here a bit and to show my point of view on that matter.

 

[GermanBango]

I just wanted to neutralize the heated atmosphere here a bit and to show my point of view on that mater.

The peace maker

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

And people calling out Italy for being excused by eurofans amd Sweden getting haters all the time even though they do the same thing. I have to say I actually agree with that. Eurofans hype Italy way too much, for example 2015, 2017, and even last year. 2017 was the worst hype ever, it didn't even finish in the top 5.

I hated that annoying song Occidentalis Karma, never saw what the fuss about it was, glad it didn't win. Was shit IMO

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

And people calling out Italy for being excused by eurofans amd Sweden getting haters all the time even though they do the same thing. I have to say I actually agree with that. Eurofans hype Italy way too much, for example 2015, 2017, and even last year. 2017 was the worst hype ever, it didn't even finish in the top 5.

Actually, it's a fandom issue... You know, there are 37 songs in this year 's competition but people constantly keep pointing their finger on Italy and Sweden, comparing them and starting long discussions about what country gives us the most generic song out there. Why do they do so? Well, because Italy and Sweden are the bad guys taking all the fun from the others, because they are succesful, almost every year amongst the favourites, because they know how to pack a great production which more than often does good in the competition. But are only Sweden and Italy sending generic songs to the contest? Absolutely not, these two countries are just the best when it comes to sell their final product, easily.

In reality, fandom loves the Italy vs Sweden drama, it's one of the main topics every single f*ing year, and I think it's really stupid because these two countries have very different approaches when it comes to Eurovision.

PS: Btw, I kinda agree on a point: Italy 2015 (which I personally loathe), 2017 and 2021 were not that good. They were hyped by the fandom for no reason, while for example 2011 and 2020, which have been criticized a lot when they came out, were and still are a lot better.

 

[simori95]

Oh my, I am so glad I have missed this debate yesterday, I would have essayed the f*** out of y‘all

 

[harey]

And at the end Sweden is not obligated to send ethnic or out of the box entries just to please a loud minority who dislikes english pop.

But pop songs in English can be very different one from each other, I don't think that being cold toward what Sweden sends means "you have to do something entirely different". For exemple, I usually don't like that much Swedish entries, but I liked Hold me closer much more than tattoo. And it's still a pop song sung in English.

I'm really not a hater of Sweden for being Sweden, but I barely watch Melodifestivalen anymore because I'm getting tired of the same singers coming each year and the same songwriters involved in multiple songs each year. I still like or love some songs but it has become a little boring to me, and I don't ask the Swedish broadcaster to artificially put all kind of music genres but just... a little bit more of fresh blood.

I do think that it's part of the reason giving to esc fan the impression that Sweden is always doing the same thing, as we follow national finals.

Tattoo isn't really a great song for me, and it's just tyring to read all the comments saying that if you don't like Tattoo it's because 1. you hate favourites ; 2. you hate Sweden ; 3. you hate Loreen ; 4. you're jealous, etc. When it comes to this song, it's just like people can't admit that there are people genuinely liking the song and there are also people genuinely not liking the song. (Loreen's performance and the staging are great, so I can understand why it could win, it's just the same thing for me than Heroes - I don't like the song but it's a good package.)

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Exactly this... I don't even dislike the song per se, it is good, not awesome, but good. I have other songs I like more, though... I think Loreen will deliver the song greatly, because she is a great performer. But I don't think in the end Tattoo will be my personal number one...

 

[Citelis]

But pop songs in English can be very different one from each other, I don't think that being cold toward what Sweden sends means "you have to do something entirely different". For exemple, I usually don't like that much Swedish entries, but I liked Hold me closer much more than tattoo. And it's still a pop song sung in English.

I'm really not a hater of Sweden for being Sweden, but I barely watch Melodifestivalen anymore because I'm getting tired of the same singers coming each year and the same songwriters involved in multiple songs each year. I still like or love some songs but it has become a little boring to me, and I don't ask the Swedish broadcaster to artificially put all kind of music genres but just... a little bit more of fresh blood.

I do think that it's part of the reason giving to esc fan the impression that Sweden is always doing the same thing, as we follow national finals.

Tattoo isn't really a great song for me, and it's just tyring to read all the comments saying that if you don't like Tattoo it's because 1. you hate favourites ; 2. you hate Sweden ; 3. you hate Loreen ; 4. you're jealous, etc. When it comes to this song, it's just like people can't admit that there are people genuinely liking the song and there are also people genuinely not liking the song. (Loreen's performance and the staging are great, so I can understand why it could win, it's just the same thing for me than Heroes - I don't like the song but it's a good package.)

I said that for people who constantly asking, especially Sweden, to send something completely out of what they usually send or what they want to send blaming them for not taking risks. Meanwhile this probably assumes that other countries could go safe like Sweden but they prefer to risk each year which is far from truth and in reality if most countries could send something like 'Tattoo' or 'Hold me closer' they would absolutely do.

 

[tararaaam]

When you dont really like the song, yet its stuck in your head:

and all I care about is youuuuuu
You are stuck on me like a fart-tooooo

 

[b4ld3r]

I haven't been super fond of any of our entries since Frans really, but this year I'm really positive.

What really weirds me out in terms of the online discussion is the idea that some expect this to underperform in the televote? Too music video like some might say, but in my opinion this is much more closer to Sergey Lazarev than Benjamin Ingrosso.

And the song being "too generic" also doesn't make sense, Chanel last year scored so highly more or less entirerely based on the staging, and here we have a song that's already charting in multiple countries pre-contest with an equally impressive staging...

Fully expecting this to win both jury and tele, but hoping for an upset since I'd prefer someone who hasn't already won.

 

[GermanBango]

I haven't been super fond of any of our entries since Frans really, but this year I'm really positive.

What really weirds me out in terms of the online discussion is the idea that some expect this to underperform in the televote? Too music video like some might say, but in my opinion this is much more closer to Sergey Lazarev than Benjamin Ingrosso.

And the song being "too generic" also doesn't make sense, Chanel last year scored so highly more or less entirerely based on the staging, and here we have a song that's already charting in multiple countries pre-contest with an equally impressive staging...

Fully expecting this to win both jury and tele, but hoping for an upset since I'd prefer someone who hasn't already won.

Thought I am the only one.

 

[Rasmus0714]

Well, I said last year when people stated that Sweden finally sends something authentic and real, that at the end of the day, I couldn't
see what was the extreme difference between Hold Me Closer and their previous entries

Hold me closer is based on her break-up while the rests are just wrote for the sake of ESC. And almost all the songwriters for Melfest making their yearly income from Melfest?

 

[Rasmus0714]

I haven't been super fond of any of our entries since Frans really, but this year I'm really positive.

What really weirds me out in terms of the online discussion is the idea that some expect this to underperform in the televote? Too music video like some might say, but in my opinion this is much more closer to Sergey Lazarev than Benjamin Ingrosso.

And the song being "too generic" also doesn't make sense, Chanel last year scored so highly more or less entirerely based on the staging, and here we have a song that's already charting in multiple countries pre-contest with an equally impressive staging...

Fully expecting this to win both jury and tele, but hoping for an upset since I'd prefer someone who hasn't already won.

Both Tattoo and Slo-mo are in my last place

 

[Neo]

Really digging Marcus & Martinus - Air.

Not saying that because they are fellow Norwegians. One of my fave eurovision songs for a long time, and superbly delivered too.

In any other year it might have won MF, maybe even ESC.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

A lot of talk about the platform being smaller, blablabla. I don't want to be a white knight here but to me the size of the platform was never what made me love Tattoo. I also think the smaller one, even though it's perhaps not as cool, makes more sense somehow as it's about Loreen lifting it and it's now more proportional to her. The best part about the performance is when the platform roof is liften anyways

 

[empo21]

I think it's ok to state that the bigger platform was more epic.

With that being said, majority of the viewers won't even know about the original screens and the camera shots will make up for the size of the new ones.

 

[Charly]

 

[popavapeur]

yeah the staging looks less impressive but only if you know the melfest one
with that said I love the song, couldn't care less about it being over produced or under produced (life in plastic it's fantastic anyway) it would be a worthy winner imho as well as Finland, both outcomes will make me happy

 

[FilipFromSweden]

It's funny to me that the entire fandom is claiming it's over for her because of the size of the box and what not, yet the bookies haven't changed her odds whatsoever