Sweden SWEDEN 2023 - Loreen - Tattoo

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[empo21]

But... they didn't? It's very noticeable and they can't shoot the whole thing as a close up. People will see the box and it just looks very small even without knowing the original size. It just doesn't look right, there's not enough space.

Yes, I spoke too soon on both the camera shots and the size of the box - Loreen's movements looks too awkward now.

 

[Citelis]

It's funny to me that the entire fandom is claiming it's over for her because of the size of the box and what not, yet the bookies haven't changed her odds whatsoever

Maybe because Finland's clip was not so impressive either, even if some people seem to be ecstatic about it.

 

[randajad]

The only song this I have heard on the radio "in the wild".

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

It's funny to me that the entire fandom is claiming it's over for her because of the size of the box and what not, yet the bookies haven't changed her odds whatsoever

I agree I think it's fuss about nothing. It's rehearsals, things will be cleaned up before the night, she'll nail the vocals when she needs to. I don't think the casual viewer will be impacted by the changes to the box

 

[shameless]

I agree I think it's fuss about nothing. It's rehearsals, things will be cleaned up before the night, she'll nail the vocals when she needs to. I don't think the casual viewer will be impacted by the changes to the box

exactly. They will just not care enough about the song as with most recent style-over-substance-entries from sweden.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

exactly. They will just not care enough about the song as with most recent style-over-substance-entries from sweden.

I don't care much for the song. I have it in my predictions list to come 2nd in televote, but I have wondered at times if I and other fans are overestimating how well the casual viewer will receive it.

 

[shameless]

I don't care much for the song. I have it in my predictions list to come 2nd in televote, but I have wondered at times if I and other fans are overestimating how well the casual viewer will receive it.

I think they totally do. For now all the friends I have shown the song to (who watch the final with me but except for that are not connected to the ESC bubble) had shown a lukewarm or disappointed reaction because Loreen is the most iconic winner (in germany alongside Lena and Conchita) that people remember and they will always measure it all on Europhoria.
If people think we're judging her too hard, they're in for a very surprising result on GF when Swedens TV is announced.

 

[Citelis]

I'm one of those who say that Finland is more likely to win because of Sweden's staging seems disappointing and hype around Finland increases but let's not forget when the rehearsals were taking place for 2018 the reactions for Netta's staging were bad and everyone was hyping Foureira. Duncan didn't have good reactions during the rehearsals either.

 

[I bims]

I don't care much for the song. I have it in my predictions list to come 2nd in televote, but I have wondered at times if I and other fans are overestimating how well the casual viewer will receive it.

I like the song but I wouldn't say it will come 2nd in the televote, not even with the way superior Mello performance. Especially now it's likely more something around 5th to 7th (but 1st to 2nd with the jury). Will that be enough though? Leaves sooo much room for someone else to chime in and do the Duncan Laurence.
Based on the clips, Käärijä doesn't sound good enough to even get near 7th with the jury to become a threat for the overall win. And there are a lot of televote pleasers, so he won't landslide enough to overcome the lack in jury points.

This two horse race really opened up for a lucky third. France and Spain look like contenders now imo.

 

[ESC94]

I like the song but I wouldn't say it will come 2nd in the televote, not even with the way superior Mello performance. Especially now it's likely more something around 5th to 7th (but 1st to 2nd with the jury). Will that be enough though? Leaves sooo much room for someone else to chime in and do the Duncan Laurence.
Based on the clips, Käärijä doesn't sound good enough to even get near 7th with the jury to become a threat for the overall win. And there are a lot of televote pleasers, so he won't landslide enough to overcome the lack in jury points.

This two horse race really opened up for a lucky third. France and Spain look like contenders now imo.

In this case I´m absolutely Team La Zarra.

 

[lilka]

Tell me guys, why does it have to look 85% like the Euphoria staging?
This is so annoyingly repetitive...

 

[Ezio]

Brutally honest analysis

"Tattoo" Explanation and Analysis

For our last review, we compare/contrast Loreen’s roof-raising anthem with “Euphoria”, and with its only real competition this year, “Cha Cha Cha.” Also, Mat...

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[I bims]

Brutally honest analysis

"Tattoo" Explanation and Analysis

For our last review, we compare/contrast Loreen’s roof-raising anthem with “Euphoria”, and with its only real competition this year, “Cha Cha Cha.” Also, Mat...

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Saying that the staging doesn't have much meaning is such a weird take...

 

[shameless]

I like the song but I wouldn't say it will come 2nd in the televote, not even with the way superior Mello performance. Especially now it's likely more something around 5th to 7th (but 1st to 2nd with the jury). Will that be enough though? Leaves sooo much room for someone else to chime in and do the Duncan Laurence.
Based on the clips, Käärijä doesn't sound good enough to even get near 7th with the jury to become a threat for the overall win. And there are a lot of televote pleasers, so he won't landslide enough to overcome the lack in jury points.

This two horse race really opened up for a lucky third. France and Spain look like contenders now imo.

I think you're way off with both. No way either of them will underperform so much with one of the juries if they're the clear top 2 favs.

 

[John1]

Yeah, casual viewers won't have watched Melfest performance, but this is weak. We have to face it, Loreen will certainly not win, or not as easily as we all thought.

 

[I bims]

I think you're way off with both. No way either of them will underperform so much with one of the juries if they're the clear top 2 favs.

I might be completely wrong. But in 2017 during the exact same time in the season, Italy was the big favourite to win, with Bulgaria and Sweden being the other hot favourites. Portugal was still rising in the odds. We've been there before, why is it impossible to happen again?

If Käärijä doesn't sound better live, he won't be near the Top 5 in the jury. And Loreen's chances with the televote are crumbling cause the staging doesn't translate well with the small press, leaving a large opening for someone else (being 2nd and 3rd in the categories is enough to win). Loreen's chances in the odds are dropping as we speak, the bookies are losing confidence. But people will keep betting on her cause she's an obvious choice, therefore she will remain higher up in the odds.

 

[shameless]

I might be completely wrong. But in 2017 during the exact same time in the season, Italy was the big favourite to win, with Bulgaria and Sweden being the other hot favourites. Portugal was still rising in the odds. We've been there before, why is it impossible to happen again?

If Käärijä doesn't sound better live, he won't be near the Top 5 in the jury. And Loreen's chances with the televote are crumbling cause the staging doesn't translate well with the small press, leaving a large opening for someone else (being 2nd and 3rd in the categories is enough to win). Loreen's chances in the odds are dropping as we speak, the bookies are losing confidence. But people will keep betting on her cause she's an obvious choice, therefore she will remain higher up in the odds.

Yes, 2017 is the odd one out yet it got such a clear winner in the end (to whom for the record I felt in love on the very first listening during FdC)..if the answer to all of this is Evidement, I won't be unhappy.

 

[Ezio]

Saying that the staging doesn't have much meaning is such a weird take...

ehm yeah, tell me more about the meaning pls

 

[I bims]

ehm yeah, tell me more about the meaning pls

It starts foggy, she's not yet clear about everything. The LED show a sandstorm resembling inner turmoil and pain.
The press itself is claustrophobic and keeping her down but it starts lifting as she is getting more and more in tune with her feelings. She starts having glimmers of hope that in the end everything will work out with her loved one, resembled by the light shining behind her at certain parts in the chorus, that dims when she starts singing the verse, when she is again trying to get a better grasp at what is going on inside her.
In the second verse the storm gets more intense, she wants to get a hold of it and grasp it but it just starts twirling, getting more confusing and intense. But she refuses to be hold down by it and actively starts fighting and lifting what is holding her down. She doesn't care about how it hurts, she fights these negative feelings, she is in love and won't let the pain hold her down.
In the end it's fully lifting. She can take a deep breath again, the fog starts lifting, she has a calmer mind and can now really start to understand everything. Not being held back anymore, with the storm fading and bright lights of hope shining brighter and brighter she sings the last climactic chorus.

The setting of a desert is a reference to her moroccan roots, with the symbols probably also meaning something but I haven't seen a translation anywhere. The imagery isn't random, it's tailored towards her personal background.
Considering that Loreen is bisexual it could also be that she is singing about her love for a woman, the gender of the person she loves is never specified. Giving more meaning to the storm and inner turmoil and feelings of being held down by an intolerant society and feeling a strong love that is forbidden, a relationship that may never be because whoever she loves doesn't want to come out and be openly together with her.

There are things you can interpret into everything she does on that stage. It's not meaningless. And as we've seen with "Statements" Loreen is very much an artists that thinks about these things.

 

[Ezio]

It starts foggy, she's not yet clear about everything. The LED show a sandstorm resembling inner turmoil and pain.
The press itself is claustrophobic and keeping her down but it starts lifting as she is getting more and more in tune with her feelings. She starts having glimmers of hope that in the end everything will work out with her loved one, resembled by the light shining behind her at certain parts in the chorus, that dims when she starts singing the verse, when she is again trying to get a better grasp at what is going on inside her.
In the second verse the storm gets more intense, she wants to get a hold of it and grasp it but it just starts twirling, getting more confusing and intense. But she refuses to be hold down by it and actively starts fighting and lifting what is holding her down. She doesn't care about how it hurts, she fights these negative feelings, she is in love and won't let the pain hold her down.
In the end it's fully lifting. She can take a deep breath again, the fog starts lifting, she has a calmer mind and can now really start to understand everything. Not being held back anymore, with the storm fading and bright lights of hope shining brighter and brighter she sings the last climactic chorus.

The setting of a desert is a reference to her moroccan roots, with the symbols probably also meaning something but I haven't seen a translation anywhere. The imagery isn't random, it's tailored towards her personal background.
Considering that Loreen is bisexual it could also be that she is singing about her love for a woman, the gender of the person she loves is never specified. Giving more meaning to the storm and inner turmoil and feelings of being held down by an intolerant society and feeling a strong love that is forbidden, a relationship that may never be because whoever she loves doesn't want to come out and be openly together with her.

There are things you can interpret into everything she does on that stage. It's not meaningless. And as we've seen with "Statements" Loreen is very much an artists that thinks about these things.

That sounds like a really terrible hangover.