Actually, there's a good and bad side of the current aspect, and if you've followed me on here you'll notice that I'm a strong fighter for local sounds and native languages.
On the other hand, I do realize the fact that Eurovision was always a laughing-stock for being old-fashion and off-trends (and that doesn't apply to the local sounding songs but Pop songs that sounded like dated Pop more or less).
I think it's good for Eurovision as a contest if it combines the support for local, but also stays a relevant force in the music world and atleast produce ONE cross-over hit per year, which it barely does. Trust me, I don't want this contest to be a platform for contemporary Pop, but I don't think it hurts either if it atleast feels sort of in-touch with current music in the meantime.
Why can't a song be universally liked? Is it some sort of law of nature that if a song is good with potential and lots of people like it equals being overrated? Well, overrated of course is subjective, if one doesn't like a song much it will always comes across as overrated.
But it seems like people who like it also call it overrated for the simple fact that lots of people like it aswell.
Oh, and I don't believe victory is assured at all, but in my book this has winner written all over it and SHOULD win quite frankly, but nothing is fair and ESC barely is, so we'll see.. I don't take anything for granted.
I don't say that! Of course songs can be universally liked. But i don't like this, it's not against Sweeden!
Last year the French song was overrated by bookmakers and when FRANCE finished in 15 place, i was really happy , and i'm French.
I don't like favorites in competition.
Now I'm confused, you said "beautiful song, great singer but overrated"... if you'd said "I don't like this, it's overrated", then it would make sense.
Anyways, that comment was more generally made, and not just towards you.
There's a bunch of people who likes an entry, but yet call it overrated if too many like it. It's that I find strange.
And oh, disliking a song is not the same as not liking a country, so I didn't even interpret your comment in that way, so don't worry
overrated example:
Vassili's song last year.
was it beautiful? yes
was it sung nicely?with the exceptions of couple of flat notes, yes
does he have a beautiful voice? uhu
but it was another operatic ballad... Groban, Il Divo.. i'm not even gonna go Bochelli way...
so people puking rainbows about it left and right? overrated
in this case, i'm not sure. everybody is acting like it's something new, different and godsend.. that it will stop end of the world in December and cure cancer... when in reality it's just a nice dance tune with a (solely my opinion) way too weird (to the point of making me uncomfortable) interpretive dance...
but i DO like it. true, there are few songs i like better, but it is in my top 5.
so here... i like it but i think it's overrated.
Of course she will have the snow! They can use 3-4 vaccuum cleaners and they're done in seconds! I mean they were able to clean Saade's broken glass last year and they will have a problem with little harmless plastic foam?
Now I'm confused, you said "beautiful song, great singer but overrated"... if you'd said "I don't like this, it's overrated", then it would make sense.
Anyways, that comment was more generally made, and not just towards you.
There's a bunch of people who likes an entry, but yet call it overrated if too many like it. It's that I find strange.
And oh, disliking a song is not the same as not liking a country, so I didn't even interpret your comment in that way, so don't worry
Yes i really like the song, Loreen was in my top 5 when i discovered the song, but closer we get to the final, sweden is favorite in all polls and I don't like it, now Sweden is on my top 15 for this year, while the song hasn't changed.
There will be no competition this year.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.
I see your point, Spencre. But we always had years where we had very big favourites (Norway 2009), co-favourites (Serbia 2007, Germany 2010) and WTF-winners (Estonia 2001, Azerbaijan 2011). No one's happy with a winner who didn't "deserve" it, but neither with a winner we already knew before because the excitement is already gone.
Actually Sweden's song stands out because it is new to Eurovision. But in discos you already had that kind of music 16 years ago (Robert Miles etc.). And a couple of years later, no one was interested anymore.
Since it's Sweden (again), I don't cheer for it. I cheer for the friendless countries, although it's hopeless.
overrated example:
Vassili's song last year.
was it beautiful? yes
was it sung nicely?with the exceptions of couple of flat notes, yes
does he have a beautiful voice? uhu
but it was another operatic ballad... Groban, Il Divo.. i'm not even gonna go Bochelli way...
so people puking rainbows about it left and right? overrated
in this case, i'm not sure. everybody is acting like it's something new, different and godsend.. that it will stop end of the world in December and cure cancer... when in reality it's just a nice dance tune with a (solely my opinion) way too weird (to the point of making me uncomfortable) interpretive dance...
but i DO like it. true, there are few songs i like better, but it is in my top 5.
so here... i like it but i think it's overrated.
I agree with everything you've said (except for the dance, i love her presentation)
That's exactly why i said i love Loreen, i love her song, i love her dance but it's overrated in terms of winning.
Let's not forget the majority of people voting on May 26 will see and hear every performance and song for the first time in their lives, therefore Euphoria is too tricky: 1. wrong lighting - loss of impression; 2. not enough echo in a mic - loss of impression; 3. she won't have snow on stage because it's clearly impossible to clean it all up in 20-30 seconds - loss of impression; 4. wrong camera angles in wrong moments - loss of effect, etc. etc.
It's success depends on too many little things that can go wrong opposite to, let's say, Serbia (just for an example, it can be Romania, Bosnia etc.), he will just go there and sing, not too much can go wrong there.
And the first impression is crucial, i remember mine: i was impressed by the movements, by the snow, by the lighting, i said WOW, that was cool. But i did not remember the song.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.
Imagine you walk in to a McDonalds fast food shack and express load for everybody:
I don't like pommes frites/French fries. It's so overrated!
This is an irrelevant and rather stupid statement to make, right? Your personal taste for potatoes isn't of real interest for anybody but yourself. The second statement of overrated is impossible to understand because it relates to an for everybody else, unknown ranking or list of potato dishes. Who cares about ranking potatoes and what is on that list? The response you'd get could be something like:
-So ... good for you or bad for you rather, who cares ?
This reaction is understandable for everyone. But apparently this isn't what you mean when you repeatedly come back and express this overrated statement. Instead, I think it is a bookmaker's remark, a gamblers thinking. The process of predicting a winner in a race. It may be a horserace, a political election, tomorrow's weather or whatever that allows a gambling bet. In this process you set up lists and rank all possible bets. You can compare lists and use statistics. Finally you are convinced of a winner and eager to share your findings.
However, this has nothing todo with music, absolutely nothing. The ESC has a contest element but it has never been the main feature as I see it. I would rather see ESC as a festival, a chance of cultural interaction for peace and mutual understanding in Europe. The festival is crowned with a competition and an award for best song. We love to root and cheer for our favourite and get all energized discussing the bit and pieces of all the acts. We do it for fun and love to our favourites. Usually our favourites does not win and we don't mind because we know they were the best anyway. Very often our favourites also comes from another country. In fact, this is the first year my personal favourite comes from Sweden.
So reconsider your spirit, guys!
I agree with everything you've said (except for the dance, i love her presentation)
That's exactly why i said i love Loreen, i love her song, i love her dance but it's overrated in terms of winning.
Let's not forget the majority of people voting on May 26 will see and hear every performance and song for the first time in their lives, therefore Euphoria is too tricky: 1. wrong lighting - loss of impression; 2. not enough echo in a mic - loss of impression; 3. she won't have snow on stage because it's clearly impossible to clean it all up in 20-30 seconds - loss of impression; 4. wrong camera angles in wrong moments - loss of effect, etc. etc.
It's success depends on too many little things that can go wrong opposite to, let's say, Serbia (just for an example, it can be Romania, Bosnia etc.), he will just go there and sing, not too much can go wrong there.
And the first impression is crucial, i remember mine: i was impressed by the movements, by the snow, by the lighting, i said WOW, that was cool. But i did not remember the song.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.
Yes i really like the song, Loreen was in my top 5 when i discovered the song, but closer we get to the final, sweden is favorite in all polls and I don't like it, now Sweden is on my top 15 for this year, while the song hasn't changed.
There will be no competition this year.