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SWEDEN 2012 - Loreen - Euphoria

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    456 54.9%
  • 10

    71 8.5%
  • 8

    55 6.6%
  • 7

    37 4.5%
  • 6

    26 3.1%
  • 5

    25 3.0%
  • 4

    16 1.9%
  • 3

    18 2.2%
  • 2

    18 2.2%
  • 1

    16 1.9%
  • 0

    93 11.2%

  • Total voters
    831

LalehForWD

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Beautiful song, great singer, but so overrated!
Victory is assured :(

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Actually, there's a good and bad side of the current aspect, and if you've followed me on here you'll notice that I'm a strong fighter for local sounds and native languages.

On the other hand, I do realize the fact that Eurovision was always a laughing-stock for being old-fashion and off-trends (and that doesn't apply to the local sounding songs but Pop songs that sounded like dated Pop more or less).

I think it's good for Eurovision as a contest if it combines the support for local, but also stays a relevant force in the music world and atleast produce ONE cross-over hit per year, which it barely does. Trust me, I don't want this contest to be a platform for contemporary Pop, but I don't think it hurts either if it atleast feels sort of in-touch with current music in the meantime.

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Thank you!
 

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Why can't a song be universally liked? Is it some sort of law of nature that if a song is good with potential and lots of people like it equals being overrated? Well, overrated of course is subjective, if one doesn't like a song much it will always comes across as overrated.

But it seems like people who like it also call it overrated for the simple fact that lots of people like it aswell.

Oh, and I don't believe victory is assured at all, but in my book this has winner written all over it and SHOULD win quite frankly, but nothing is fair and ESC barely is, so we'll see.. I don't take anything for granted.

I don't say that! Of course songs can be universally liked. But i don't like this, it's not against Sweeden!
Last year the French song was overrated by bookmakers and when FRANCE finished in 15 place, i was really happy :p, and i'm French.
I don't like favorites in competition.
 

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I don't say that! Of course songs can be universally liked. But i don't like this, it's not against Sweeden!
Last year the French song was overrated by bookmakers and when FRANCE finished in 15 place, i was really happy :p, and i'm French.
I don't like favorites in competition.

Now I'm confused, you said "beautiful song, great singer but overrated"... if you'd said "I don't like this, it's overrated", then it would make sense.

Anyways, that comment was more generally made, and not just towards you.

There's a bunch of people who likes an entry, but yet call it overrated if too many like it. It's that I find strange.

And oh, disliking a song is not the same as not liking a country, so I didn't even interpret your comment in that way, so don't worry ;)
 

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I have said many times that it makes no sense to say "underrated" or "overrated" because for the fans that it will always be "estimated in dignity", and for those who do not like - "overrated"

I do not think Euphoria overrated, I think it deserves high marks throughout the world.

I think this song is the best in the history of the competition, but it is certainly my opinion.

And also I do not like Waterloo of ABBA, their other songs are much better and I am sure that if the time was Internet, then many people would have written "overrated"
 

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Now I'm confused, you said "beautiful song, great singer but overrated"... if you'd said "I don't like this, it's overrated", then it would make sense.

Anyways, that comment was more generally made, and not just towards you.

There's a bunch of people who likes an entry, but yet call it overrated if too many like it. It's that I find strange.

And oh, disliking a song is not the same as not liking a country, so I didn't even interpret your comment in that way, so don't worry ;)

You can find a song beautiful and still think it's kinda overrated. You can love a song and love others more... Anyway, I don't think Sweden's overrated at all, it's just unique and will do very well!
 

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overrated example:
Vassili's song last year.
was it beautiful? yes
was it sung nicely?with the exceptions of couple of flat notes, yes
does he have a beautiful voice? uhu
but it was another operatic ballad... Groban, Il Divo.. i'm not even gonna go Bochelli way...
so people puking rainbows about it left and right? overrated

in this case, i'm not sure. everybody is acting like it's something new, different and godsend.. that it will stop end of the world in December and cure cancer... when in reality it's just a nice dance tune with a (solely my opinion) way too weird (to the point of making me uncomfortable) interpretive dance...
but i DO like it. true, there are few songs i like better, but it is in my top 5.
so here... i like it but i think it's overrated.
 

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overrated example:
Vassili's song last year.
was it beautiful? yes
was it sung nicely?with the exceptions of couple of flat notes, yes
does he have a beautiful voice? uhu
but it was another operatic ballad... Groban, Il Divo.. i'm not even gonna go Bochelli way...
so people puking rainbows about it left and right? overrated

in this case, i'm not sure. everybody is acting like it's something new, different and godsend.. that it will stop end of the world in December and cure cancer... when in reality it's just a nice dance tune with a (solely my opinion) way too weird (to the point of making me uncomfortable) interpretive dance...
but i DO like it. true, there are few songs i like better, but it is in my top 5.
so here... i like it but i think it's overrated.

I agree with everything you've said (except for the dance, i love her presentation)
That's exactly why i said i love Loreen, i love her song, i love her dance but it's overrated in terms of winning.
Let's not forget the majority of people voting on May 26 will see and hear every performance and song for the first time in their lives, therefore Euphoria is too tricky: 1. wrong lighting - loss of impression; 2. not enough echo in a mic - loss of impression; 3. she won't have snow on stage because it's clearly impossible to clean it all up in 20-30 seconds - loss of impression; 4. wrong camera angles in wrong moments - loss of effect, etc. etc.
It's success depends on too many little things that can go wrong opposite to, let's say, Serbia (just for an example, it can be Romania, Bosnia etc.), he will just go there and sing, not too much can go wrong there.
And the first impression is crucial, i remember mine: i was impressed by the movements, by the snow, by the lighting, i said WOW, that was cool. But i did not remember the song.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.
 

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I think they'll keep the snow. She'll be performing on her own podium again, so most of the "snow" will probably fall onto that.
 

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Of course she will have the snow! They can use 3-4 vaccuum cleaners and they're done in seconds! I mean they were able to clean Saade's broken glass last year and they will have a problem with little harmless plastic foam?
 

LalehForWD

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Of course she will have the snow! They can use 3-4 vaccuum cleaners and they're done in seconds! I mean they were able to clean Saade's broken glass last year and they will have a problem with little harmless plastic foam?

Sweden loves snow!
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Spencre

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Now I'm confused, you said "beautiful song, great singer but overrated"... if you'd said "I don't like this, it's overrated", then it would make sense.

Anyways, that comment was more generally made, and not just towards you.

There's a bunch of people who likes an entry, but yet call it overrated if too many like it. It's that I find strange.

And oh, disliking a song is not the same as not liking a country, so I didn't even interpret your comment in that way, so don't worry ;)

Yes i really like the song, Loreen was in my top 5 when i discovered the song, but closer we get to the final, sweden is favorite in all polls and I don't like it, now Sweden is on my top 15 for this year, while the song hasn't changed.
There will be no competition this year.
 

rajo

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Yes i really like the song, Loreen was in my top 5 when i discovered the song, but closer we get to the final, sweden is favorite in all polls and I don't like it, now Sweden is on my top 15 for this year, while the song hasn't changed.
There will be no competition this year.



I see your point, Spencre. But we always had years where we had very big favourites (Norway 2009), co-favourites (Serbia 2007, Germany 2010) and WTF-winners (Estonia 2001, Azerbaijan 2011). No one's happy with a winner who didn't "deserve" it, but neither with a winner we already knew before because the excitement is already gone.

Actually Sweden's song stands out because it is new to Eurovision. But in discos you already had that kind of music 16 years ago (Robert Miles etc.). And a couple of years later, no one was interested anymore.

Since it's Sweden (again), I don't cheer for it. I cheer for the friendless countries, although it's hopeless.
 

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So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.

And someone is maintained? There is a desire, but 100% sure no one else.

And by the way has long said that Azeri were not allowed to snow, so it probably will not.
 

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I see your point, Spencre. But we always had years where we had very big favourites (Norway 2009), co-favourites (Serbia 2007, Germany 2010) and WTF-winners (Estonia 2001, Azerbaijan 2011). No one's happy with a winner who didn't "deserve" it, but neither with a winner we already knew before because the excitement is already gone.

Actually Sweden's song stands out because it is new to Eurovision. But in discos you already had that kind of music 16 years ago (Robert Miles etc.). And a couple of years later, no one was interested anymore.

Since it's Sweden (again), I don't cheer for it. I cheer for the friendless countries, although it's hopeless.

You understand me!
I'm a fan of eurovision since 2004 (only), but i wasn't intersted by pools or bets before, last year i discoverd eurovision bets, and that's brake the esc charm for me.
 

LalehForWD

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overrated example:
Vassili's song last year.
was it beautiful? yes
was it sung nicely?with the exceptions of couple of flat notes, yes
does he have a beautiful voice? uhu
but it was another operatic ballad... Groban, Il Divo.. i'm not even gonna go Bochelli way...
so people puking rainbows about it left and right? overrated

in this case, i'm not sure. everybody is acting like it's something new, different and godsend.. that it will stop end of the world in December and cure cancer... when in reality it's just a nice dance tune with a (solely my opinion) way too weird (to the point of making me uncomfortable) interpretive dance...
but i DO like it. true, there are few songs i like better, but it is in my top 5.
so here... i like it but i think it's overrated.
I agree with everything you've said (except for the dance, i love her presentation)
That's exactly why i said i love Loreen, i love her song, i love her dance but it's overrated in terms of winning.
Let's not forget the majority of people voting on May 26 will see and hear every performance and song for the first time in their lives, therefore Euphoria is too tricky: 1. wrong lighting - loss of impression; 2. not enough echo in a mic - loss of impression; 3. she won't have snow on stage because it's clearly impossible to clean it all up in 20-30 seconds - loss of impression; 4. wrong camera angles in wrong moments - loss of effect, etc. etc.
It's success depends on too many little things that can go wrong opposite to, let's say, Serbia (just for an example, it can be Romania, Bosnia etc.), he will just go there and sing, not too much can go wrong there.
And the first impression is crucial, i remember mine: i was impressed by the movements, by the snow, by the lighting, i said WOW, that was cool. But i did not remember the song.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.

Imagine you walk in to a McDonalds fast food shack and express load for everybody:

I don't like pommes frites/French fries. It's so overrated!

This is an irrelevant and rather stupid statement to make, right? Your personal taste for potatoes isn't of real interest for anybody but yourself. The second statement of overrated is impossible to understand because it relates to an for everybody else, unknown ranking or list of potato dishes. Who cares about ranking potatoes and what is on that list? The response you'd get could be something like:

-So :confused: :confused: ... good for you or bad for you rather, who cares :(?

This reaction is understandable for everyone. But apparently this isn't what you mean when you repeatedly come back and express this overrated statement. Instead, I think it is a bookmaker's remark, a gamblers thinking. The process of predicting a winner in a race. It may be a horserace, a political election, tomorrow's weather or whatever that allows a gambling bet. In this process you set up lists and rank all possible bets. You can compare lists and use statistics. Finally you are convinced of a winner and eager to share your findings.

However, this has nothing todo with music, absolutely nothing. The ESC has a contest element but it has never been the main feature as I see it. I would rather see ESC as a festival, a chance of cultural interaction for peace and mutual understanding in Europe. The festival is crowned with a competition and an award for best song. We love to root and cheer for our favourite and get all energized discussing the bit and pieces of all the acts. We do it for fun and love to our favourites. Usually our favourites does not win and we don't mind because we know they were the best anyway. Very often our favourites also comes from another country. In fact, this is the first year my personal favourite comes from Sweden.

So reconsider your spirit, guys! :)
 

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Imagine you walk in to a McDonalds fast food shack and express load for everybody:

I don't like pommes frites/French fries. It's so overrated!

This is an irrelevant and rather stupid statement to make, right? Your personal taste for potatoes isn't of real interest for anybody but yourself. The second statement of overrated is impossible to understand because it relates to an for everybody else, unknown ranking or list of potato dishes. Who cares about ranking potatoes and what is on that list? The response you'd get could be something like:

-So :confused: :confused: ... good for you or bad for you rather, who cares :(?

This reaction is understandable for everyone. But apparently this isn't what you mean when you repeatedly come back and express this overrated statement. Instead, I think it is a bookmaker's remark, a gamblers thinking. The process of predicting a winner in a race. It may be a horserace, a political election, tomorrow's weather or whatever that allows a gambling bet. In this process you set up lists and rank all possible bets. You can compare lists and use statistics. Finally you are convinced of a winner and eager to share your findings.

However, this has nothing todo with music, absolutely nothing. The ESC has a contest element but it has never been the main feature as I see it. I would rather see ESC as a festival, a chance of cultural interaction for peace and mutual understanding in Europe. The festival is crowned with a competition and an award for best song. We love to root and cheer for our favourite and get all energized discussing the bit and pieces of all the acts. We do it for fun and love to our favourites. Usually our favourites does not win and we don't mind because we know they were the best anyway. Very often our favourites also comes from another country. In fact, this is the first year my personal favourite comes from Sweden.

So reconsider your spirit, guys! :)

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rajo

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I agree with everything you've said (except for the dance, i love her presentation)
That's exactly why i said i love Loreen, i love her song, i love her dance but it's overrated in terms of winning.
Let's not forget the majority of people voting on May 26 will see and hear every performance and song for the first time in their lives, therefore Euphoria is too tricky: 1. wrong lighting - loss of impression; 2. not enough echo in a mic - loss of impression; 3. she won't have snow on stage because it's clearly impossible to clean it all up in 20-30 seconds - loss of impression; 4. wrong camera angles in wrong moments - loss of effect, etc. etc.
It's success depends on too many little things that can go wrong opposite to, let's say, Serbia (just for an example, it can be Romania, Bosnia etc.), he will just go there and sing, not too much can go wrong there.
And the first impression is crucial, i remember mine: i was impressed by the movements, by the snow, by the lighting, i said WOW, that was cool. But i did not remember the song.
So let's not run before a horse saying Sweden will 100% win or SHOULD win, that's insulting to other amazing songs that deserve to win as well.

I think you have a point here.

The Euphoria performance depends on a lots of things to make an impression other than the song itself.

If the song was played too loud, it could be a mess, and people would be rather annoyed than pleased.

And I agree to the rest of your comment.


In 2002 and 2004 I thought Sweden and Iceland respectively were going to win in the first place. But their performances were so screwed up with the live arrangement that they were finally doomed.
 

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Yes i really like the song, Loreen was in my top 5 when i discovered the song, but closer we get to the final, sweden is favorite in all polls and I don't like it, now Sweden is on my top 15 for this year, while the song hasn't changed.
There will be no competition this year.

I don't know if we're lost in translation here, but I honestly don't get your argumentation. So you call a song overrated because it is a favorite, yet you like it, but it falls down your list because it's high on polls? That doesn't make sense to me. It's like the equivalent to starting to root for a song you happen to initially dislike because of majority pressure. I dunno, if I like something I couldn't care less what majority things, good if they like it, but if they don't I won't be bothered either.
 

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I agree not to love a song or artist just because he is the favorite and he has many fans stupid. It is necessary to have their opinion, and not rely on the opinion of others.

I fell in love and discovered Loreen did not know that it is a favorite of the contest, especially since she has not won Melodifestivalen at the time and she was a strong contender Danny.
 
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