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wittgenstein said:On behalf of the Swedish people, I humbly apologize for this swede.
wittgenstein said:On behalf of the Swedish people, I humbly apologize for this swede.
...AlekS said:You do NOT have to compare versions in order to hear her live vocals
I'm sorry, is it your hobby to lift people's statements out of context in order to "refute" them individually? People have been raving about what a good singer she is, how wonderful it sounds live, etc. I was using objective evidence to refute that claim.AlekS said:^ so?
just another reason to lay crap.
or maybe you wanna change the whole world so only people with perfect voice would be allowed to sing?
Eurovision is not just for professional singers. End of story
I don't care what they do to her studio version. I listen to her LIVE and I judge live version on ESC
What would be reason for her sound mixer to actually alter the way she sounds on the studio version if not because they think that she sings badly/sounds strange live? None.AlekS said:^ It is my hobby to express my own opinion. And I'm not sorry for doing this
Saying that she has bad live vocals because her studio version is altered is not objective and it doesn't make any sense for me.
It just means that her live vocals sound worser than the studio version according to your opinion and it is subjective. I believe that only people define what's better and what's worser and opinions will always differ.
I didn't say that we should rate her live singing based on her studio version singing. I'm saying that the fact that they actually altered the way she sings in the studio compared to live if evidence that even the people behind the song aren't confident in her singing voice.AlekS said:It doesn't make any sense to look at her studio version when she's singing live and I have to rate her live singing.
I'm calling it now (what I believe the results will be):AlekS said:I agree that if you're gonna sit/stand you need a good song but I'm sure that Anna will get enough votes to qualify because different people have different rating system. I'm not sure about the final though. It's up to people to decide. And it's ALL subjective, imo. People's taste defines music, what's good and what's not so it can't be objective in any case. You can measure music, you can have notes and octaves, intervals and follow certain standards but there are no standards for people's taste. That's just my opinion.
I can agree to most of that. But I can like listening to Eurovision songs, yet also judge songs objectively as long as I myself acknowledge that the songs I like aren't really that good musically speaking.Freak For Life said:Eurovision is no contest for objective reviews. It's merely fun event and most of songs are generally just to be listened for fun and to dwell far on their quality. If you look at Eurovision generally and if you ask around, you're going to realize that it's really rubbish contest. It's not a place for high-quality songs that took quite some time to write. It doesn't mean that those songs aren't good. I like some Eurovision songs because they have nice melody and are generally listenable. I mean no offense to anyone, I just speak from what I've heard people say.
So to simplify it; If you like Eurovision you just lost all rights to judge songs objectively. It's what people say to me so I include myself in that category. I like rubbish songs as well as those that are considered to be very high quality. The main perk of having very extensive musical taste is that you have more songs to listen to. I don't find it enjoyable when I hear a song I dislike. When I go to check out my Last.fm recommendations I find a lot of songs I dislike and that puts me down; I hoped to discover a lot of new songs, but came out empty. So imagine how would it be if I limited myself to just one genre or if I went on to judge all songs objectively. I know I went a bit off topic, but it was all in good manner to make sure nobody got insulted by my post.
Blah blah blah essay essay essay etc. etc. I win, you loose, Pokemon are awesome and all else that comes out of an argument.
We won't really find out whether or not it's a good song/good artist. We'll just find out whether or not the Eurovision audience likes it. I'm predicting a crushing defeat. Let's see if I'm right.Matt said:We'll find out in may who was right and who was wrong