Split results Televotings & 'Jury'

[Trece]

And I think the Georgian entry was utterly ridiculous and have no place in today's music

actually 90% of usual ppl will prefer Georgian song then Bulgarian for example.

 

[A-lister]

actually 90% of usual ppl will prefer Georgian song then Bulgarian for example.

Funny, overall televoting results disagree with this statement

Again, I think the public are more up-to-date and open-minded than the juries (as apparent with the public support for Hungary, Bulgaria, Montenegro over stuff like Georgia or Armenia)

 

[Trece]

Funny, overall televoting results disagree with this statement

Again, I think the public are more up-to-date and open-minded than the juries (as apparent with the public support for Hungary, Bulgaria, Montenegro over stuff like Georgia or Armenia)

I specially said - usual ppl. I would said that televoters in ESC are usual ppl. I mean that if you will look at all last big worldwide hits they more common with Georgian song then with Bulgarian

 

[A-lister]

I specially said - usual ppl. I would said that televoters in ESC are usual ppl. I mean that if you will look at all last big worldwide hits they more common with Georgian song then with Bulgarian

I don't get what you mean, are ESC public odd people?

And no, there haven't been world hits like the Georgian one for decades

Sure, there haven't been any like the Bulgarian either ... but what do you mean? That ESC must follow music trends set by American/Swedish cultural imperialism?

ESC was a safe-haven from all that... the "hits" you hear on radio are there because multi-national companies decide that they should be there... it's a totally top-down approach where the masses are almost being "programmed" into agreeing that this culture is superior to the rest...

And actually, ESC was always behind trends, in PARTICULAR during the years where juries had 100% power!... and the entries being more "in-trend" this year (Montenegro, Hungary and Ireland) were all dissed by the juries... so juries taste is actually less representing of the current music trends than televoters' taste... why am I NOT surprised by that?

 

[Trece]

Anyway EBU clear said that they will not reveal anything more.
And our endless discussions are no more then transfusion from a sieve, EBU will make all as they want.
We just can wait and hope that Denmark will improve some changes like Sweden did (but in the better way)

 

[A-lister]

Anyway EBU clear said that they will not reveal anything more.
And our endless discussions are no more then transfusion from a sieve, EBU will make all as they want.
We just can wait and hope that Denmark will improve some changes like Sweden did (but in the better way)

Sweden didn't improve sh*t, on contrary we now have the most discussions ever about the lack of transparency and other things.

I guess only since 2011 when Azerbaijan "won", we had so much discussions as now...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Trece I don't get what you mean, Bulgaria got more televote support than Georgia but you say '' 90 % prefer Georgia ''
Bulgaria was 6th in televoting and Georgia was 13th..

 

[A-lister]

Trece I don't get what you mean, Bulgaria got more televote support than Georgia but you say '' 90 % prefer Georgia ''
Bulgaria was 6th in televoting and Georgia was 13th..

I know right???

 

[BGN]

Trece I don't get what you mean, Bulgaria got more televote support than Georgia but you say '' 90 % prefer Georgia ''
Bulgaria was 6th in televoting and Georgia was 13th..

90% of the juries - 72 persons in total

 

[WhoKnows]

Because what's the point in having a contest with the concept "entries representing their countries" if all it takes is to shop around for entries abroad?

Sure, with the current rules, an entry that is good but imported shouldn't be punished just because it's imported, but it shouldn't get encouraged either... and especially seeing more original and true stuff being punished while the imported safe stuff being favored by the juries, it's disgusting and contra to the very idea of this contest.

And I think the Georgian entry was utterly ridiculous and have no place in today's music, nor did it represent Georgian music what-so-ever... but that is of course my own opinion (the first part of my sentence)...

While I share your sentiment in that I wish countries didn't seek out Swedish composers for their entries, I honestly can't blame any one of them for doing it. The sad reality is that this sound is very appealing to people these days. Look how well these songs do at ESC, especially with the juries - even if terribly performed (ex: Georgia). Then you have a country that dares to send something ethnic and even a good performance won't save it (ex: Croatia). And yes, maybe ESC is intended to showcase music from different countries and regions, but it's a contest afterall. And at the end of the day, you want to win or at least end up doing well. Since that's the case, why would Azerbaijan send something 'national' and end up like Bulgaria, which hasn't qualified in forever, when they can afford to pay a couple thousands and safely end up in the top five?

I think the biggest negative that has come from the introduction of juries is the effect it has had on variety of music at ESC. I don't always agree with televotes. In fact, my taste is probably more aligned with the juries' votes. But one can't deny that it's fun to have all kinds of styles in the final, even if some of the songs may not be your taste. I HATE this year's Bulgaria's entry, but honestly, it would've made for a more interesting entry than Georgia did. I don't necessarily love Montenegro either, but it would've been a better qualifier than Estonia.

 

[Smudy]

Amen to that, mister.

 

[Lisa1973]

No. The reason they do this is because in case they revealed the split results, they'd have to reveal the countries whose televotes aren't enough and only jury is used. If they did that, other countries could manipulate their televote, bribing people to vote a lot for them, for example.

Exactly!

 

[musicfan]

It's probably well known about the lower televotes anyway, and if the televote is too low they have to use a jury anyway I think. And if there is bribery it's up to Eurovision to warn people over it. The bribery of juries is likely much worse anyway, after all all of them are paid to vote, unlike with the televote.

 

[WhoKnows]

Plus, is it really that big a mystery which country/ies have low televoting figures? Hmm, could it be Russia? Sweden? It couldn't be possibly be something like San Marino?

 

[CC92]

As if anyone did not know which countries are concerned. It is not even a matter of specifically reaching or not reaching the treshold but little televoting numbers in general which are easier to overcome.
The EBU is obviously treating us like dumb little children but in the end it is them that come across as the fools.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think jury has to go

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Plus, is it really that big a mystery which country/ies have low televoting figures? Hmm, could it be Russia? Sweden? It couldn't be possibly be something like San Marino?

Sweden has big televoting figures, San Marino only uses jury

 

[Trece]

Sweden has big televoting figures, San Marino only uses jury

and Albania

 

[FilipFromSweden]

and Albania

I wonder why..

 

[watersoup]

Sweden has big televoting figures, San Marino only uses jury

That was his point. We don't need the jury/vote split by country to work which countries have low voting figures.

Anyway, if I wanted to manipulate the voting figures, I wouldn't be interested in the countries that don't get enough votes for their televote to count as that would be a completely pointless exercise. I would want to know which countries of those whose televote does count generates the least votes, which the split results wouldn't even tell me.