Split results Televotings & 'Jury'

[A-lister]

We all need a bit of fun and colour in our lives and for some of us, Eurovision provides that all, times by 10. I personally regard Eurovision as more of an incredibly enjoyable novelty. The only real jokes are the results each year.

I agree, while I personally take it more serious, but what I reacted at was the mindset "it's a joke" and then being on a fan forum?

I mean to me the word "a joke" has a negative and degrading tone... it's not the same as "fun, entertainment, novelty"... it's more like "crap to laugh at"

I mean there are some of us in here who almost grew up with this, I mean we hear that "a joke" comment everywhere, so it would be nice to atleast not have to read it on a forum dedicated to fans of the contest ... sure there will be aspects of the contest one can regard as "a joke", but generally speaking.

 

[Lisa1973]

Ehm? What part did you miss? It was the JURIES that saved Armenia's (imo) crappy entry, NOT the televotes... which was my point initially... and a proof that diaspora didn't have much power and that the public actually prevent it when their entries sucks.

As I said before, probably the other way around in western Europe.

 

[A-lister]

As I said before, probably the other way around in western Europe.

That's totally irrelevant, I mean it's interesting for statistical reasons and obviously for the transparency, but all in all a major diaspora country like Armenia couldn't hide amongst the televoters this year, it was the juries showing them love.

Also, Armenian diaspora are all over Europe, not just in Western Europe... together with Turks, Greeks and Russians it's one of the biggest diaspora group generally speaking.

 

[Lisa1973]

That's totally irrelevant, I mean it's interesting for statistical reasons and obviously for the transparency, but all in all a major diaspora country like Armenia couldn't hide amongst the televoters this year, it was the juries showing them love.

Also, Armenian diaspora are all over Europe, not just in Western Europe... together with Turks, Greeks and Russians it's one of the biggest diaspora group generally speaking.

Well, I hope you're right.

 

[A-lister]

Well, I hope you're right.

Right about what? I think the results proves my point?

 

[A-lister]

SCREW EBU and their lame excuse for not being transparent:

Split ranking per country

To protect the fairness of the voting, the EBU does not release the split ranking of televoting and jury per country. Publishing these numbers would explicitly highlight if countries don't meet the televoting threshold – the minimum number of televotes needed to become a statistically valid result - is and where thus only the jury voting was regarded valid. Explicitly highlighting these countries could lead to unwanted disproportionate influence on the televoting in these countries in future years to come.

EBU is so full of sh*t it's not even funny, their total arrogance and disrespect towards the people... not just do they let these small groups have a disproportionally high influence over the result, they are also hiding the full results from the public... as if we were all small children needed to be protected from the truth and needed guidance from our "guardians" (= juries). I mean why is there a problem showing televoting now all of a sudden when there was no problem showing it 1999-2009??? EBU are acting like how it worked in communist Europe with all the hiding and corruption...

My respect for EBU is currently -100, I encourage countries to withdraw from the contest... it has zero credibility now !

The juries are completely corrupting it with their anti-Euro / anti-diversity agenda, it's over-flooded by imported entries, the EBU doesn't believe in any transparency...

- The juries need to be kicked out!
- Importing entries should not be allowed anymore!
- The contest should be in the hand of the public, and it should be about entries representing their countries...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I don't get this ..
'' 7,89 '' and all these numbers, I know its ranking but can't they give us the points?

For an example: Sweden had 8.05 (third highest jury ranking) and 16.19 in televoting, that means Robin climbed from 16-14 from being 3rd in jury? Actually this is what i excpected, international jury don't want to leave Melodifestivalen so they gave Robin high points.

Seriously jury system should not be in Eurovision Song Contest anymore. Can't EBU release scoreboard so you can see how each country voted in the semi final too? And also, Bulgaria was 6th in televoting but gets 12th place? Switizerland is 5th in televoting but gets 13th place? Seriously I hate this system, jury (that EBU brought back so the results would be more fair) is just ruining a lot of results for countries that usually don't make it. And the jury is not profesional, they brought in Erik Rapp in the swedish one, a 16-year old boy that once competed for Sweden in JESC..
Romania won televoting in semi final 2
Interesting to see Hungary reached 8th placei in both semi final and final with televotes

 

[cegs5]

So much drama ... some people just need to check their math books

 

[CC92]

So much drama ... some people just need to check their math books

Mathematical explanations don't stop something unfair from being unfair.

 

[cegs5]

Mathematical explanations don't stop something unfair from being unfair.

What's fair or unfair is subjective, maths are objective.

 

[CC92]

Mathematical explanations don't stop something unfair from being unfair.

What's fair or unfair is subjective, maths are objective.

Drastic example: The EBU decides to give the victory to the entry with the lowest average placing. Is it mathematically explainable? Yes. And fair? Hardly.

 

[JackBauer]

LMAO !

EBU basically told us Denmark was one of the best loved countries by televoters and jurors and that's it ? that's their split results ) Thanks for nothing.


And how are we supposed to know who really won the televoting or the Jury vote when Ireland is not that low and ended up with 5 points ?

 

[Celia]

was bottom in both Juries and Televoting and ended up 25th 3333
Fuc*ing masters of the universe

 

[JackBauer]

And what's the point of that **** if Belarus can make the final and 40 points with basically the same score as Ireland

What I'd like EBU to do is supervise and make sure juries are composed by people from all ages (I'd rather put mostly youth though) and different musical styles. Pop singers, rock singers, ethnic singers...that way other types of music would have more chances. But, as for the rest, I think juries are helpful when it comes to preventing diaspora voting for instance.

Don't get so proud ! France gave you a good run for your money with the televoting

But could we expect more after those b[censored for your security] gave us killing draw ?

 

[A-lister]

was bottom in both Juries and Televoting and ended up 25th 3333
Fuc*ing masters of the universe

Yes, these results are obviously manipulated... I mean ended dead last in its semi, but was #14 in televote and #23 in jury vote, while Spain was last in both votings and ended at #25??? That's not math, that's pure idiocy and fabrication!

EBU go eff yourself with your DDR-styled voting!

 

[cegs5]

Please people, check your math books, the subject "Average" will help you a lot to understand the tables, and you will find out that it's not weird that Spain wasn't last even if Ireland had a better average in split rankings.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Yes, these results are obviously manipulated... I mean ended dead last in its semi, but was #14 in televote and #23 in jury vote, while Spain was last in both votings and ended at #25??? That's not math, that's pure idiocy and fabrication!

EBU go eff yourself with your DDR-styled voting!

This is just so weird and I think you are right xwhat

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Please people, check your math books, the subject "Average" will help you a lot to understand the tables, and you will find out that it's not weird that Spain wasn't last even if Ireland had a better average in split rankings.

Stop it with your '' im good at math '' attitude, its still not fair that a song that ends up 14th in televoting and 23rd in juryvoting ends up at 26th place

 

[FilipFromSweden]

MONTENEGRO WAS 4TH IN TELEVOTING?!?! ok now I hate jury
I wanted to cry when I heard my favourite song was 6th in televoting in semi final 2

 

[cegs5]

Stop it with your '' im good at math '' attitude, its still not fair that a song that ends up 14th in televoting and 23rd in juryvoting ends up at 26th place

I'm not saying that I'm good at math...but anyway why should I stop? As I said before, talking about what's fair or unfair is subjective but math is objective.
This is the example I gave in another thread... It seems to be hard to understand it

Well, I'm not going to give a math lessons... but I'll just give a simple example, based in combined results.

If "A" is ranked in every single country in 11th place, that song will get 0 points, and the last place (26th) although its average will be 11,00
If "B" is ranked in 37 sountries in 26th place (last place) but one country ranked it in 10th place, then It will get 1 point and will not became last, will be 25th although its average place will be 25,58 which is worse than "A" but still will manage to be ranked higher.

I don't see the manipulation, only maths. If it's fair or unfair that's another subject. That's why I said that it's not weird (based in the current rules and voting system)