Split results Televotings & 'Jury'

[A-lister]

I don't get your reasoning. High viewing figures don't mean that we don't view Eurovision as a joke contest?! As I thought you would say that media aren't representative of the people I added social networks which give a good picture of the people's feeling towards Eurovision, and almost nobody on Twitter/Facebook views it as a serious competition. They only watch it because it's fun to observe these awkward performances.

I would really like to know where it says that the British youth and the majority of Germany want to stay in the contest? In my opinion the majority just doesn't care if they're in or out. Almost nobody would complain if we would leave the contest. It's just not important enough.

When you use "we", do you include yourself there? I mean if you think it's "just a joke", why spending time on a fan forum then?

Apparently they did some statistics on that, and according to those researches then Germany belongs to one of those countries where the majority wants to stay in the contest (together with the Nordics) and in the UK the ones opposing the contest seem to be the older generation and not the younger according to some survey... if you look through the UK thread for 2014 you'll find the latter... the former I read in a Swedish mag during ESC week.

 

[mono]

i still dont get the ranking. i mean, just bring back the old system

 

[A-lister]

i still dont get the ranking. i mean, just bring back the old system

Atleast the old system wasn't as harming as the new one... but I say simply screw the juries all together... they have proven that they are pointless...

A few shouldn't have the say over millions, and public has proven to be more open-minded and actually prevent diaspora votes when entries aren't worthy (like this year)... so just give back the power to the people!

 

[Venage]

When you use "we", do you include yourself there? I mean if you think it's "just a joke", why spending time on a fan forum then?

Apparently they did some statistics on that, and according to those researches then Germany belongs to one of those countries where the majority wants to stay in the contest (together with the Nordics) and in the UK the ones opposing the contest seem to be the older generation and not the younger according to some survey... if you look through the UK thread for 2014 you'll find the latter... the former I read in a Swedish mag during ESC week.

Well, it's a joke contest but it's fun.

Apparently you don't trust the media and I don't trust random statistics. They always depend on a lot of criteria like the specific questions asked. Anyway, I can guarantee that the people in Germany don't care enough about the contest to oppose a possible withdrawal. It's not nearly as popular as in Sweden.

 

[A-lister]

Well, it's a joke contest but it's fun.

Apparently you don't trust the media and I don't trust random statistics. They always depend on a lot of criteria like the specific questions asked. Anyway, I can guarantee that the people in Germany don't care enough about the contest to oppose a possible withdrawal. It's not nearly as popular as in Sweden.

I actually don't get what you're doing on a fan forum for a "joke" no offense but I don't get it...

No, the German support isn't as big as in Sweden, but according to that poll it still belonged to the countries where a majority supported the country to stay in (= opposing withdrawal)...

 

[Lisa1973]

Agree with you for the most part (except Sweden, they overrated that I think). The juries really need to go or at the least, be given a lot less power. Allow them to possibly change the fate of just one entry in each semi. It would have been terrible this year if Moldova hadn't made it for instance. I'd be interested to know without the new combined scoring of every entry what would have changed. I think this rule change has been awful. Incredibly damaging. Too much power to the jury.

Agree with you that it's a shame that juries can cancel out public favourites in such a big way, and that the public vote should count for more. But if the juries are taken out, what other suggestion do you have to prevent immigrants from voting for their own country (resulting in, FOR EXAMPLE, Turkey and Armenia automatically receiving top 3 points from UK, France, Belgium, Germany and Netherlands every single year)?

 

[Venage]

I actually don't get what you're doing on a fan forum for a "joke" no offense but I don't get it...

No, the German support isn't as big as in Sweden, but according to that poll it still belonged to the countries where a majority supported the country to stay in (= opposing withdrawal)...

Political votings, awkward performances, kitsch entries ... it's pure fun watching AND discussing it. I don't know about Sweden, but in Germany we especially like to make fun of TV shows on Twitter. How bad they are, how silly the hosts/performers/actors are etc. Today it's not only about the show itself, the true pleasure lies within the mocking of these shows on social platforms Obviously I'm not the only one, as RainyWoods seems to enjoy it as well.

Those polls just don't make much sense. There are 82 million people in Germany, and only 8 million approximately watch it every year. That's less than 10% percent and you really believe that a majority of Germans care about staying in Eurovision? It's additionally always about the question. Ask these people whether they would care leaving Eurovision and possibly the majority couldn't care less.

 

[A-lister]

Agree with you that it's a shame that juries can cancel out public favourites in such a big way, and that the public vote should count for more. But if the juries are taken out, what other suggestion do you have to prevent immigrants from voting for their own country (resulting in, FOR EXAMPLE, Turkey and Armenia automatically receiving top 3 points from UK, France, Belgium, Germany and Netherlands every single year)?

Ehm, for your info the juries saved Armenia with a crappy entry this year, while it wouldn't have qualified based on televoting alone, also Netherlands and Belgium made it through based on televotes alone, so it's been proven that the juries aren't needed any longer to "fix" these problems.

Switzerland ended up at #5 in their semi based on televote alone, and it's hardly a "diaspora vote gainer" type of country ...

 

[A-lister]

Political votings, awkward performances, kitsch entries ... it's pure fun watching AND discussing it. I don't know about Sweden, but in Germany we especially like to make fun of TV shows on Twitter. How bad they are, how silly the hosts/performers/actors are etc. Today it's not only about the show itself, the true pleasure lies within the mocking of these shows on social platforms Obviously I'm not the only one, as RainyWoods seems to enjoy it as well.

Those polls just don't make much sense. There are 82 million people in Germany, and only 8 million approximately watch it every year. That's less than 10% percent and you really believe that a majority of Germans care about staying in Eurovision? It's additionally always about the question. Ask these people whether they would care leaving Eurovision and possibly the majority couldn't care less.

Sorry, but in a fan forum that attitude sort of shows lack of respect to the rest of us here who are genuine fans and DON'T regard it as a joke

I only said they made such a research, nothing more - nothing less, one can make what they want out of it. Obviously in a large country like Germany there's alot of TV competition aswell, so that has to be taken into consideration.

 

[Venage]

Sorry, but in a fan forum that attitude sort of shows lack of respect to the rest of us here who are genuine fans and DON'T regard it as a joke

I only said they made such a research, nothing more - nothing less, one can make what they want out of it. Obviously in a large country like Germany there's alot of TV competition aswell, so that has to be taken into consideration.

You can still be a fan even if you think of Eurovision as a joke. There's no rule that only those who take the contest seriously are regarded as genuine fans

You said that according to those surveys Germany is a country where the majority opposes a withdrawal. I just made clear that these surveys don't make sense. Apart from that, during the grand final there wasn't some serious competition going on. No big shows like Voice, German Idol (DSDS), Schlag den Raab, no popular movies or anything else. Except Eurovision there wasn't much to watch. I agree, Eurovision is still relatively popular, but as long as a Blind Audience from "The Voice" has higher ratings than Eurovision, it's not like Germany cares that much about Eurovision.

 

[Lisa1973]

Ehm, for your info the juries saved Armenia with a crappy entry this year, while it wouldn't have qualified based on televoting alone, also Netherlands and Belgium made it through based on televotes alone, so it's been proven that the juries aren't needed any longer to "fix" these problems.

Switzerland ended up at #5 in their semi based on televote alone, and it's hardly a "diaspora vote gainer" type of country ...

Those are overall European results. I'm sure that if we had the split results per country, we would see a different televote ranking in the countries mentioned.

 

[RainyWoods]

Political votings, awkward performances, kitsch entries ... it's pure fun watching AND discussing it. I don't know about Sweden, but in Germany we especially like to make fun of TV shows on Twitter. How bad they are, how silly the hosts/performers/actors are etc. Today it's not only about the show itself, the true pleasure lies within the mocking of these shows on social platforms Obviously I'm not the only one, as RainyWoods seems to enjoy it as well.

Those polls just don't make much sense. There are 82 million people in Germany, and only 8 million approximately watch it every year. That's less than 10% percent and you really believe that a majority of Germans care about staying in Eurovision? It's additionally always about the question. Ask these people whether they would care leaving Eurovision and possibly the majority couldn't care less.

Indeed I do enjoy the show for similar reasons The kitsch, the extravagance, the unintentional comedy moments and it is indeed great fun to discuss it all. I don't like it though when shows and commentators make fun of the artists and make snide remarks. Infact I hate that. Commentators should be neutral and viewers should draw their own entertainment from acts..

Also even though I love the novelty aspect that is attached to the contest, there have still been a few songs that have been incredibly special to me over the years. Probably don't have to say which one in particular that I regard as the greatest song of all time1

I don't see anything wrong with looking at the contest in a light hearted way. To be honest I can't take people rating music seriously anyway. Music should not be judged. Sadly this is what the contest is all about.. and the juries are ruining anything thats not in their comfort zone which is woman in ball gown singing ballad about coming together. In a couple of years I predict that half the entries will actually be women in ball gowns singing western ballads about coming together, all of them plucked from various singing talent shows. I despair

 

[A-lister]

Those are overall European results. I'm sure that if we had the split results per country, we would see a different televote ranking in the countries mentioned.

So? It's still the summed up results that counts... and that's been the case since the first ESC

I do agree though that for transparency EBU should release all results, but it's still the sum that will decide the results nevertheless...

 

[A-lister]

Indeed I do enjoy the show for similar reasons The kitsch, the extravagance, the unintentional comedy moments and it is indeed great fun to discuss it all. I don't like it though when shows and commentators make fun of the artists and make snide remarks. Infact I hate that. Commentators should be neutral and viewers should draw their own entertainment from acts..

Also even though I love the novelty aspect that is attached to the contest, there have still been a few songs that have been incredibly special to me over the years. Probably don't have to say which one in particular that I regard as the greatest song of all time1

I don't see anything wrong with looking at the contest in a light hearted way. To be honest I can't take people rating music seriously anyway. Music should not be judged. Sadly this is what the contest is all about.. and the juries are ruining anything thats not in their comfort zone which is woman in ball gown singing ballad about coming together. In a couple of years I predict that half the entries will actually be women in ball gowns singing western ballads about coming together, all of them plucked from various singing talent shows. I despair

It's one thing to have a light-hearted attitude towards the contest, another one to simply call it "a joke"

 

[RainyWoods]

Agree with you that it's a shame that juries can cancel out public favourites in such a big way, and that the public vote should count for more. But if the juries are taken out, what other suggestion do you have to prevent immigrants from voting for their own country (resulting in, FOR EXAMPLE, Turkey and Armenia automatically receiving top 3 points from UK, France, Belgium, Germany and Netherlands every single year)?

Thats true. Their power certainly needs to be neutered though. This year, the new way of combining the results has had disastrous results. Songs that have made 4th, 5th ,even 7th with the public deserve their place in the final. As I said before, for the semi's at least, the juries should be given less power somehow.

 

[RainyWoods]

It's one thing to have a light-hearted attitude towards the contest, another one to simply call it "a joke"

I'll tell you the one thing that is a joke about the contest













































THE JURY

 

[A-lister]

You can still be a fan even if you think of Eurovision as a joke. There's no rule that only those who take the contest seriously are regarded as genuine fans

I actually don't agree

But maybe we define this "take it as a joke" differently... I wouldn't be spending my time though on a forum dedicated to something I simply regarded as a joke

 

[Lisa1973]

So? It's still the summed up results that counts... and that's been the case since the first ESC

I do agree though that for transparency EBU should release all results, but it's still the sum that will decide the results nevertheless...

Fair enough, but when your ranking in the summed up results is partially based on an automatic head start it's still not right. Anyway, it's hard to tell this year with Turkey out and Armenia actually sending in a quality entry that deserved the televotes it got (In my opinion at least).

 

[A-lister]

Fair enough, but when your ranking in the summed up results is partially based on an automatic head start it's still not right. Anyway, it's hard to tell this year with Turkey out and Armenia actually sending in a quality entry that deserved the televotes it got (In my opinion at least).

Ehm? What part did you miss? It was the JURIES that saved Armenia's (imo) crappy entry, NOT the televotes... which was my point initially... and a proof that diaspora didn't have much power and that the public actually prevent it when their entries sucks.

 

[RainyWoods]

I actually don't agree

But maybe we define this "take it as a joke" differently... I wouldn't be spending my time though on a forum dedicated to something I simply regarded as a joke

We all need a bit of fun and colour in our lives and for some of us, Eurovision provides that all, times by 10. I personally regard Eurovision as more of an incredibly enjoyable novelty. The only real jokes are the results each year.