These are not the only contestants however and – whether or not you personally agree with the results is a different story – their average placings (even more than traditional points would do) prove that diaspora voters were no crucial factor there.
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These are not the only contestants however and – whether or not you personally agree with the results is a different story – their average placings (even more than traditional points would do) prove that diaspora voters were no crucial factor there.
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Yes, everyone who doesn't hate the juries as much as you do is bias.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Your "The voice" reason is quite inaccurate, otherwise I'm curious to find while superb singers likeand
I'm sorry but calling those who see value in juries bias is quite hypocritical.
I didn't call you biased, I called you JUST as biased as me and everyone else (when you called me bias)...
Oh and the juries did show Russia love...
Romania was just ridiculous, and juries want their American Idol vocals... not Dracula popera vocals
I didn't call you biased, I called you JUST as biased as me and everyone else (when you called me bias)...
Oh and the juries did show Russia love...
Romania was just ridiculous, and juries want their American Idol vocals... not Dracula popera vocals
The juries put Russia significantly lower in the Finals.
Anyway, I am not going to elaborate on this any further as the actual split results don't give us a full picture of the voting anyway.
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Still too high
But it was their #2 in the semis nevertheless...
EBU already promised us that they don't believe in transparency and democracy... so we won't get all the split votes again
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Should I remind you that
At least they came to their senses in the grand final
Why do you still suggest that the juries hate all ethnic entries when they actually helped France and Israel for example?!
Should I remind you that
An entry does not need to be trashed just because it represents Greece. The stats clearly prove it had broad appeal far beyond neighbours and diaspora.
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At least they came to their senses in the grand final
Why do you still suggest that the juries hate all ethnic entries when they actually helped France and Israel for example?!
You regard the French entry as "ethnic"?
Israel was rather local though, and I already said it belongs to the few exceptions where the juries did something right... but if they were pros that one would have been in their top. 3 in the semi instead which would have put it in the final... instead they preferred imported ballads in English from Sweden by
and over more genuine ballads in native languages by , and ... so no, the juries can still go and take a hike somewhere far far away from ESC!
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At least they came to their senses in the grand final
Why do you still suggest that the juries hate all ethnic entries when they actually helped France and Israel for example?!
Those two entries I wouldn't say fall under the category of ethnic. Both sung in native tongue which is great but one is a sorta retro, rock-ish song, the other a quite typical, dramatic eurovision ballad. The jury seem to hate anything that has folk influence and ethnic flavour especially when said song is high energy like Bulgaria's song this year. Trashy childish pop of Finland gets what... 6th place in jury vote? The interesting fusion of electronic music and folklore Bulgaria give us ends up in a terribly undeserved last place. It's unfair. Public didn't want Finland in the final, they actually wanted Bulgaria but yet again this country misses out. Most robbed country in the contest.
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You regard the French entry as "ethnic"?
Israel was rather local though, and I already said it belongs to the few exceptions where the juries did something right... but if they were pros that one would have been in their top. 3 in the semi instead which would have put it in the final... instead they preferred imported ballads in English from Sweden by
These entries might be more local than ethnic, but they represent their local music scene and were awarded by the juries. That the juries also like English songs isn't that surprising considering that almost every music scene comprises a lot of English songs as well.
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This!, pathetic silly Disney-pop by Finland gets awarded the 6th spot by the juries, but original ethno-electronica in native language gets awarded the last spot... the juries war on Europe is apparent and I WARNED about this for years now... hopefully more people are waking up and smell the coffee and see the juries obvious agenda for what it is!
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Almost every music scene does NOT comprise of cheesy dated ballads by G:son no!!!
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War? Really?
The majority of the Eurovision viewers don't care as they view it as a joke competition anyway and the Big 5 won't dare getting rid of the juries as they profit from their existence.
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Well, do YOU view this as a joke competition yourself? Then why are you here?
And I don't think majority of Europe view this as a joke competition...
And yes, the juries are on war against European national diversity... this whole "We are one - celebrate diversity" charade is just pure hypocrisy ... the results are proof enough...
I encourage countries to withdraw from this anti-Euro contest.. !
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A lot of countries view the competition as a joke. France, Britain, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and I bet a lot more actually do. Just look the the media of these countries, the comments on articles about Eurovision and the Social Networks. It's not that popular everywhere like in Sweden
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I err.... generally view this as a joke competition
I can't help but get angry though with how entries with so much spirit, culture and heart are being shafted because of some high and mighty group of people that seem hell bent on making the contest as bland as possible. They do some good stuff sure.. but they do more damage than good and have far too much power in their hands. People know how they vote and so make their oh so perfect little peace ballads especially for them
I was all for the jury when they were first reintroduced. Now though.... Well they have helped Rona get her 5th place. They can kindly go now please
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A lot of countries view the competition as a joke. France, Britain, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and I bet a lot more actually do. Just look the the media of these countries, the comments on articles about Eurovision and the Social Networks. It's not that popular everywhere like in Sweden
The media aren't representative of the people... the viewing numbers in UK and Germany speaks for themselves, and the fact that the majority of the British youth and majority of the Germans wants to stay in the contest... far more important than what media says
Montenegro now definitely has a good reason to withdraw.
It will surely prompt EBU to make some changes especially after TRT's objection.
True, unfortunately, but shouldn't it be kept interesting for them at least?
Not exactly. Until last year the Big 4 altogether had a worse track record with juries than without. After this year the tendencies have probably shifted but still it's very even and simply wrong to say juries would per se benefit the big-5. Next year they might get killed by them again.
Italy has no significant viewing figures anyway and is less important than e.g. Russia, one the jury's favourite pet hates.
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The media aren't representative of the people... the viewing numbers in UK and Germany speaks for themselves, and the fact that the majority of the British youth and majority of the Germans wants to stay in the contest... far more important than what media says
I don't get your reasoning. High viewing figures don't mean that we don't view Eurovision as a joke contest?! As I thought you would say that media aren't representative of the people I added social networks which give a good picture of the people's feeling towards Eurovision, and almost nobody on Twitter/Facebook views it as a serious competition. They only watch it because it's fun to observe these awkward performances.
I would really like to know where it says that the British youth and the majority of Germany want to stay in the contest? In my opinion the majority just doesn't care if they're in or out. Almost nobody would complain if we would leave the contest. It's just not important enough.