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Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

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  • 12

    201 52.1%
  • 10

    26 6.7%
  • 8

    20 5.2%
  • 7

    17 4.4%
  • 6

    3 0.8%
  • 5

    23 6.0%
  • 4

    10 2.6%
  • 3

    14 3.6%
  • 2

    5 1.3%
  • 1

    8 2.1%
  • 0

    59 15.3%

  • Total voters
    386

lavieenrose

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They had started promotion for the semi-final before obviously. This was made specifically for the final, already with our performance in the semi-final and everything, that's why I said that :D

I kind of love the idea of everyone in the Eurovision office being like Gianluca and then all of a sudden going "OH SHIT!" and rushing together a production video once buzz started to form.
 

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Wow, I started crying almost before the song began! :eek: It was so beautiful and spontaneous, more than I could have ever imagined... xcry1And he looked so handsome in black! :cool:

I got winner vibes already from the time he was chosen but now I'm sure - Lisbon 2018, here we come. :D
 

Edward

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You know you're finally excited about your country's chances again when you switch off the TV by mistake while nervously trying to adjust the sound before the big performance starts :lol: Damn, have yet to watch the full performance. Also you know it when your body literally screams "joy! jump!" yet you sit quiet and still telling yourself "oh but it was so expected..".

I don't know, it is a weird feeling. Similar to that of Euro 2016. We Portuguese people are just not used to being on the spotlight like this :p

About the performance...I liked the presentation. I guess there were not many alternative scenarios to that of performing in the middle of the crowd.

Salvador looked a bit hesitant at times with his gestures. Something to review before the final, I'm afraid. I feel like these gestures started out as a genuine body reaction to what he felt while performing the song but now he is conscious that it is something people expect from the performance. So in a way it kind of became the choreography. And I know that Salvador is careless enough not to make this an issue...but, when your genuine way of expressing yourself becomes "the talk" and it is perceived by some as odd or in a negative way...then I believe, that leaves some kind of mark within the conscience.
So all this to say that while I believe he is not in any way consciously trying to avoid his natural performing manners, I fear that the whole buzz of him being "the cool outsider kid" somehow still affects his performance unconsciously.
It's just a tiny detail but I couldn't help notice. I wish his body language felt more fluid as before.

Other than that it is obviously an honor to see your country's entry getting this kind of reaction and treatment. The organizers know this and are using it, however. Whether it is to our advantage or not only Saturday will tell. The spotlight feels good but one needs to know when it feels too good.

I think Salvador is a little bit overwhelmed by the whole contest in my opinion. I could see him kind of inebriated with this new big experience at various points of the evening. I felt some discomfort from him when being interviewed by RTP just before the semi-final started. I don't know...I have the feeling that this is being some kind of freudenschade experience to him :lol: In a way, I am glad that he has his sister alongside him all the time - she is much more down to Earth and really acts like a protective older sister most of the time.

All should be good, this is just me trying to get into the skin of the person insider the performer.

Later into the evening I like how much more relaxed he looked in-between the shots taken while the voting lines were being announced. His sill antics with Luísa made me laugh in a genuine way.

Even though it was expected, just being in the final already means a lot to us here in Portugal. I'm glad we ticked that off, now we can focus on what really matters.

I have no idea what SF2 reserves plus the 3 unrevealed big 5 acts but judging only from SF1...it does feel like anything else outside of top 5 will feel criminal. Personally speaking, even not winning feels criminal at this point to me :lol: After having a taste of what the big rival and favorite is all about...

There's still 2 major things against the entry still. I'm sorry to say language because the Eurovision I grew up with had language rules and it still feels right to me. Yes, music can speak in universal dimensions but people in overall and on average still want things they can understand. I do not fit into this category myself but I understand that the average person just is this way by default. Playing against my reasoning is Marija in 2007, thankfully.
The other thing is the fact that we are still talking about a ballad here. Ballads have the same right as upbeat songs obviously but I feel that people when voting for a winner tend to vote for something they can remember. Luckily there are exceptions throughout history but in the end Eurovision is a one-week party and if you really are into voting in the contest you will hype away whatever makes you move the most. By move, I mean literally moving in here :lol: I feel that in the end a song that moves you on the inside only (unless someone is yet to unveil the choreography to "Amar pelos dois", that is) creates some sort of limited reaction in you.
I'm drifting in here and losing focus on my point anyway...my point is just that while I am thankful Salvador's song is special for being the antithesis of what you expect from a modern era ESC winner - it still is the very same reason why I fear for it and can see people not liking it.

This will be our best shot in a long time. It might not be the perfect one but this year we came up with what was missing. We have a simple yet beautiful melodious song. We have meaningful, moving and marking words going along with it. We have this odd character giving life to it in such a non-pretentious and genuine way. It should be all we need.

So crossing my fingers on saturday xcrossed

P.S. To my fellow Portuguese users in here...you know the song has struck the right nerve when asking people from your own country why they do not like the song all they come up with is empty reasoning. I can see that the melody and the words are just so strong that they bring out in our peers a discomfort that should not exist - of letting emotions out and for once not feeling scared to say that someone from your country is making you proud. After all, it is in the genetic code of most of our kind to just be negative and self-critical (as a country we really take the trophy for this one, trust me) anyway.

P.S. 2 First half? Not the best news.
 

DanielLuis

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Salvador said in a interview to RTP that today when the qualifiers were being announced he felt for the first time the feeling of actually wanting to win the competition
 

Brandt

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Salvador is a nice guy and everything but honestly I don't get the hype over this song. It is quite mediocre and I am glad that it qualified but it is definitely not a winner from my aspect.
 

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I'm starting to think this will much better with the televote than many thought (myself included). There are no dislike votes, you can only vote for your favorites, and the people who like this, REALLY like it and they will feel motivated to vote cause it's so different from the rest of the entries and could also be some kind of protest vote against the current reality of Eurovision, with many commercial songs that sound almost the same and in english (nothing against the language, but personally I'm a languages lover and I miss those exotic sounds in the contest)
 

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Portugal will most definitely enter at least my final top 10 this year although I have never been on board the Portuguese hype train. The song is charming and it helps that Salvador is very likeable. Yet I'm not sure if this would be a good winner. On the one hand, a song that would have perfectly fit in at Eurovision 60 years ago (and that would have sounded old-fashioned compared to the music in the charts even back then) really shouldn't win in 2017, decades too late. On the other hand, it would be delightful for Portugal to win for the first time after so many years with a song and performance like this. Salvador's unique style really helps. It would be hilarious for this to beat the sure winner Italy and all the modern songs. We know that the televoters are willing to support a song that doesn't sound even remotely contemporary (hello 2015). I had severe doubts about the chances of this song in the past, thinking that the juries would rather support something more contemporary (like Bulgaria) and that this rather quiet style would be overlooked by the audience but who knows. Now I'm under the impression that there might be a big surprise on Saturday. Or Italy will win with a new high score... :D

Portugal's odds have improved dramatically and Italy is drifting a little. Maybe Italy will win the televote but Portugal will be the winner this year. In the end, Portugal might also do much much worse and people might overestimate it, like Finland. Really not sure.
 

Chorizo

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i mean the problem isn't so much the first half itself as it's the fact all the current contenders are first half so far. what if kristian draws first half too? what will ebu even do lol

That's easy: They will announce that Putin hacked the draw and repeat it. xshrug
 

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Portugal has my full support as this is brilliant, but I just don't see how this could possibly win. Maybe 2nd-4th in the televote, which will be their better result.
 

FilipFromSweden

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This guy impressed me the most of the night. He nailed the performance and made it magical and in a sea of ballads this one stood out. And when it was time for the recap, in which most artists just cheer, he sat there with a overexaggurated sad/disappointed face and I burst out laughing. I think :it: is taking the trophy but I think :pt: is an incredibly strong competitor and is getting at least 3rd place on Saturday
 

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I'm starting to think this will much better with the televote than many thought (myself included). There are no dislike votes, you can only vote for your favorites, and the people who like this, REALLY like it and they will feel motivated to vote cause it's so different from the rest of the entries and could also be some kind of protest vote against the current reality of Eurovision, with many commercial songs that sound almost the same and in english (nothing against the language, but personally I'm a languages lover and I miss those exotic sounds in the contest)

I think exactly the same !!
 

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A televote win seems likely: :pt: video has the most views from yesterday's performances on the ESC yt channel and is topping the charts according to esctracker.
And as for the jury vote, the main rival was :fi: but didn't pass to the final.
 

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My feelings have been released out. Who's rewatching this just to vicariously experience the magic again? It made my day when a friend of mine watching it for the first time said, Portugal might win this year.
 

cripesdude

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I placed this 39th in my ranking... I'm just not a fan of this style of music, his way of singing and find the performance really uncomfortable... more than anything I'm bored by it. I feel like those that love it, LOVE it, and those that don't, really don't... If this does win though, I'll be very excited for Portugal to host their first Eurovision... so it's not all bad!
 

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If :pt: wins (not too likely) ESC will prove that this contest is becoming only better. Such plastic songs like :cy: :gr: that pretend to be good pop-music should be eliminated.
 

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It's just so fascinating how different people can feel about just one song. Many people describe this as "magical" and "beautiful" and I'm personally still trying to figure out what in this world is supposed to be beautiful about this song. It just makes me feel unbelievable bored, as there is literally nothing happening during the entire song...

I think the magic of this song is just a thing somebody is able to feel or not - and it seems like i'm not able to feel anything about this.
 

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It's just so fascinating how different people can feel about just one song. Many people describe this as "magical" and "beautiful" and I'm personally still trying to figure out what in this world is supposed to be beautiful about this song. It just makes me feel unbelievable bored, as there is literally nothing happening during the entire song...

I think the magic of this song is just a thing somebody is able to feel or not - and it seems like i'm not able to feel anything about this.

It's mainly about the vocal and how that communicates it, there's a warmth and tenderness to the vocal.
 

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I am probably gonna get some sh*t for this, but...
I kinda hope Salvador wins instead of Italy... xheart I love Italy as well, but Salvadors performance last night was just breathtaking. xheart
 
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