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The Netherlands NETHERLANDS 2024 - Joost Klein - Europapa
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b4ld3r
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Going to stop spamming soon lol. The music video does a great job of balancing the fun parts with the melancholic/sad parts, and I think that they struck that balance during the pre-parties as well.
It would be very weird if they suddenly stopped trying and just went full novelty, especially as Joost seems to have a pretty great sense for aesthetics. Especially when they explicitly referenced Cha Cha Cha and Amar pelos dois, two of the best stagings ever, when they tried to hype this up.
Unless they are hiding much, it doesn't seem to be on an even level with Käärijä tho, when you look back and compare the photos from their first rehearsals.
Will try to not count my chickens before they hatch, or at least until I see the camera feed. Still will be the best song of the year even if they fumble the performance!
It would be very weird if they suddenly stopped trying and just went full novelty, especially as Joost seems to have a pretty great sense for aesthetics. Especially when they explicitly referenced Cha Cha Cha and Amar pelos dois, two of the best stagings ever, when they tried to hype this up.
Unless they are hiding much, it doesn't seem to be on an even level with Käärijä tho, when you look back and compare the photos from their first rehearsals.
Will try to not count my chickens before they hatch, or at least until I see the camera feed. Still will be the best song of the year even if they fumble the performance!
The song is quite pleasant and fun, one of the best of the year. However, the whole vibe feels performative and try hard. It is not necessary to be constantly funny, constantly unique, constantly surprising the others, constantly quirky. On the contrary, it feels a bit unoriginal and draining. However, 10 points.
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I'm obsessed with this song. I already am resigned to the fact that it won't win, and that I ultimately won't like the winning song.
Etanna
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I don't know about that. Most viewers probably don't speak English.
SirPeterGriffin
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Wow, he wasn't lying about his Salvador inspiration. Quite a potent delivery with the added subtitles bringing all together. Genuinely moved by this clip. I stand adamant with my prediction ever since the song was released: forget Croatia or Switzerland, this is the people's choice.
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Young people in general do speak a bit of English, enough to understand it. They are the ones who vote the most, the older demographic doesn't tend to vote much.
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Wow honestly what a touching clip even though we all already knew the outro part before. I was actually crying a little bit and I usually don't get touched by a song or movie THAT quickly. Well done.
And yes, talking about televoting winner, that's the one entry to look at, in my opinion.
And yes, talking about televoting winner, that's the one entry to look at, in my opinion.
BorisBubbles
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I don't feel like any of this works?
Notionally, pivoting out of EXTREME JOY and irreverence into literally sobbing about your dead parents doesn't feel like a natural transition. It comes across as "Ok Joost, HERE is where you cry on cue, so we can get all of the sympathy votes". I think it's exploitative, in a way. The outro always had the risk of coming across as a disclaimer, and the video clip underscores it.
Oh and I have no doubt the emotions ARE genuine. It means a lot to him. But going from one extreme to the direct opposite at the drop of a pin is a trait most people associate with actors or sociopaths, not with genuinely traumatized individuals like Joost.
Notionally, pivoting out of EXTREME JOY and irreverence into literally sobbing about your dead parents doesn't feel like a natural transition. It comes across as "Ok Joost, HERE is where you cry on cue, so we can get all of the sympathy votes". I think it's exploitative, in a way. The outro always had the risk of coming across as a disclaimer, and the video clip underscores it.
Oh and I have no doubt the emotions ARE genuine. It means a lot to him. But going from one extreme to the direct opposite at the drop of a pin is a trait most people associate with actors or sociopaths, not with genuinely traumatized individuals like Joost.
BorisBubbles
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And in case anyone wonders, the outro CAN work if you bring it with the emotional gravitas of "YES, I MADE IT!!! I wish you were here to see it!" which I believe is what the intent is, but not how the execution makes it come across, unfortunately.
b4ld3r
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Hm, this video highlights the main issue for me at the moment. On every photo he just seems to fixed to the the same place, which is especially weird during the gabber section. Käärijä was always moving during his performance, there were always things happening. And the props helped, this looks very empty.
Don't really buy the theory in the tweet that they are going be using AR, if that was the case surely it would have been mentioned by the rehearsal blog posts already...? But it's an okay theory to why he's glued to the middle, I guess.
nofuxCZ
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Czech delegation said all countries have the option to ban the ESC team from publishing photos from certain parts of the performance or even ban mentioning what is going on in these parts - so that the delegations still have the opportunity to surprise the audience. I wouldn't be surprised if the theory from the tweet is true. If not, it would really be a big let down, seeing the timelapse of the performance.
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Disappointed with staging. A song like "Europapa" which offers ideas for coloring the staging is poorly handled. At least at the moment the European references are missing (like with postcards when he mentions the nations or on the LED wall seeing the stars move)... There is no appropriate crazy staging that goes hand in hand with the sound... At least I haven't seen it, I would have put during the most emotional part a sense of flames as we saw in the music video... Joost seems less energetic and more lost in the live performance. He is unable to convey either madness or emotion in the emotional part. That dedication to the parents is nice but it's also a halfway point to soften the public and recall a bit of the "Schulte Effect". I'm sorry but I think it might even flop.
gigi_copp3
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This disappointment is even bigger than Who The Hell Is Edgar's.
Now I'm on Baby Lasagna and Angelina's wagon
Now I'm on Baby Lasagna and Angelina's wagon
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We literally saw only a couple of seconds, and pics of the staging, that's it. You act like you saw the entire thing.
Paco Roca
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I wrote "at least at the moment". I didn't give a total rating. From what little I saw, however, I can say that I expected more. The disappointment is the result not of contempt but of the value I gave it. You can scroll back through the messages and I'm perhaps the only one who said that "Europapa" could surprise with a favorable jury vote.