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Italy ITALY 2021 - Måneskin - Zitti e buoni
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I think rock music keeps me young!
Ianp16
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Not my cup of tea. At all. Gives me earache. A big fat 
from me. Sorry Italy and the fans of this... tripe.
from me. Sorry Italy and the fans of this... tripe.
H.P. Lovecraft
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The name chosen by the quartet is a Danish word (translatable into Italian as Moonlight), the language of origin of De Angelis.
H.P. Lovecraft
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We will make a reason. We have a good big laughNot my cup of tea. At all. Gives me earache. A big fat
Do you want to know something? Often at night, when sadness usually assails the soul, I press my head against the pillow and cry. I am consumed with pain. Why is Italy unable to compose stones like "My Last Breath"? Cruel destiny...
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Will Orietta be singing backing for Maneskin?
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LMAO i've been so happy since yesterday, i still can't believe this happened
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Together with France are my favourite countries in the last 10 years I'd say.
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Had to check if I'm listening to the right song when I've seen hype for this one.
I can't stand this kind of rock (atmosphere, where did you hide). It's practically a form of incoherent shouting. By far the worst Italian entry since their return.
pts. It’s absolutely bad but I’m also not too keen on passionately hating it so far
I can't stand this kind of rock (atmosphere, where did you hide). It's practically a form of incoherent shouting. By far the worst Italian entry since their return.
pts. It’s absolutely bad but I’m also not too keen on passionately hating it so far
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You've tried to give your own impression of the way Rock is done and I appreciate it but now I'm going to dismantle your every word. I invite you to answer me, if you think you can have enough arguments in contrast with mine. Careful. Reading the following message may make you "feel small".Had to check if I'm listening to the right song when I've seen hype for this one.
I can't stand this kind of rock (atmosphere, where did you hide). It's practically a form of incoherent shouting. By far the worst Italian entry since their return.
We begin to dismantle what you say about our singer who "screams" in an inarticulate way:
What you call "shout" in Rock and its derivatives is called "Growl", "Yell" and "Scream". All this makes up what is recognized as the "Death Voice".
Growl (also called guttural voice) and scream are vocal techniques typically employed in the more extreme subgenres of heavy metal and hardcore punk. This vocal style, considered a diphonic song, is obtained through the use of the diaphragm, which controls the air debt responsible for the sound power; although it may seem that the growl (meaning "roar") and the scream ("shout") are two variations of the guttural voice in which the vocal cords are involved, in reality this illusion is due to the fact that the air stored through the control of the diaphragm is "thrown out", trying to produce hoarse and cavernous or guttural sounds through the throat, since they originate in the throat.
The DRAE defines guttural a sound "that is articulated by touching the back of the tongue with the posterior part of the palatine veil. There are at least two ways of supraglottic laryngeal constriction to obtain the guttural voice: the first technique is reproduced through the vibration of the strings. vowels, the second using the ariepiglottic fold.
Singers who use the growl and scream do not roar and do not really scream, but they use this diaphragmatic technique, as if they tried to really do it, that is, using the vocal cords, the latter would be severely damaged. The death chant is a brutal, scraped, practically screamed chant that is used to express anger, despair or, at times, melancholy.
Among the subgenres of metal in which growl or scream are most present are death metal, grindcore and black metal, although later other genres, such as gothic metal and nu metal currents and metalcore, began to involve the use of this particular style. The voice in growl and scream has also been used in musical genres that do not belong to metal, such as hardcore punk, post-hardcore, screamo and various others.
Let's stop for two seconds ... I'll give you time to be ashamed together with those who "like" you
Done?! Good. We can continue.Technique:
The scream, used mainly in black metal, is a screamed voice similar to an exasperated scream. This technique can also be done by dirtying the sound (and thus scratching the vocal cords) or by keeping it as clean as possible.
Distorted sounds like growl, scream, grunt and so on are not naturally produced by the common phoning mechanism. The diaphragm, by itself, produces the jet of air that makes the vocal cords vibrate, putting them in resonance, and does not produce sound waves by itself except through the passage through the vocal cords, which in any case tend to generate clean sounds. The singing techniques used in extreme metal genres are rather unnatural and in fact only very few singers in the sector know how to use technical measures to avoid or at least limit damage while others are often equipped with larger vocal cords, with a greater margin of resistance to stress. immediately in the emission of scratched voices, scream, growl and so on.
Growl:
The growl (from English, "growl"), is characterized by a dark and guttural timbre with a strong impact, as well as by a very deep sound, more serious than the scream which has a shrill and high pitched sound. This type of singing is an evolution of the screamed voice of thrash metal. The evolutionary process that led to the birth of the growl was started by Jeff Becerra of Possessed in the album Seven Churches, which is considered one of the first examples of death metal, later continued in the late eighties thanks to Chuck Schuldiner, with the album debut of Death Scream Bloody Gore, by David Vincent, Paul Speckmann and John Tardy with the first works of Morbid Angel, Master and Obituary, and concluded in the first half of the nineties with groups such as Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation and Dying Fetus.
This singing technique is used very widely in death metal, in its subgenres (brutal death metal, techno-death, deathcore, deathgrind or melodic death metal) and in grindcore, in which the growl is filtered and presents a further severe and strangled sound.
Examples of growls are those of Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth, Ross Dolan of Immolation, Glen Benton of Deicide, Frank Mullen of Suffocation, Karl Sanders of Nile, Johan Hegg of Amon Amarth, George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher of Cannibal Corpse, Chris Barnes of Six Feet Under and Mikael Stanne of Dark Tranquility
Growl is also widely used in doom metal and, in particular, in death doom metal and funeral doom metal; in the latter the vocalizations are made in such low and deep tones as to make the text of the passages incomprehensible. Some doomsters have renamed this new form of growl "sgrunts".
Over the years the growl has been used several times even in areas that are not exactly extreme and often combined with clean or harsh voices to produce a heavy but at the same time melodic sound. Metalcore is an example, where in many cases the powerful singing turns into a real growl, less deep and guttural than the brutal or grind one and closer to that typical of melodic death metal. This technique is often called "speech" where the singer does not have to lower the pitch of his voice, but keeps it at the same height as when speaking with the difference that the sound is always diaphragmatic. Examples of groups whose singers use speech can be Hatebreed or Despised Icon.
Yell:
Unlike the scream and the growl, the yell (or shout) does not exploit so much the use of the closure of the throat but the vocal cords and partly the diaphragm. It is a dirty, "shouted" and strained voice. The yell technique was born in Crustcore from bands like Disrupt and Extreme Noise Terror. It is also used by metalcore and deathcore bands such as Architects, Dead Swans or Bring Me the Horizon (the latter from Suicide Season onwards).
Screaming:
The vocal line of black metal, both traditional and melodic, is called scream ("to scream" in English means "scream") because the vocals are very scraped, high and vaguely sound like a scream of anger or despair.
A very valid example of a scream can be that of the deceased singer of Death (Chuck Schuldiner) in the album The Sound of Perseverance, but also that of the Norwegians Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, Immortal, Emperor, Satyricon, Gorgoroth and others. That of Tomas Lindberg, singer of At the Gates, or that of the late Valfar of Windir. Particular, then, is the scream by Dani Filth, singer of the British symphonic black metal band Cradle of Filth. His is a very particular scream, shared with Jon Kennedy of Hecate Enthroned, as it produces very high-pitched screams, which are very reminiscent of those of children. In the depressive black metal field it is easy to find further extremizations of the traditional black metal scream, such as desperate screams mixed with sobs and moans, usually introduced into the singing with a very theatrical tone: the particular scream of Nattramn, of the Silencers, is very well known: between other examples of such scream voices are bands like Bethlehem, Gris and Tim Yatras Austere and Woods of Desolation projects.
This technique takes months, if not years, to perform correctly. According to many doctors, the most correct technique is that of the "fry scream", which does not consist in screaming but in a modification of the diaphragmatic pitch through the throat. An example of a fry screamer could be Marilyn Manson or Randy Blythe of Lamb of God, from the album As the Palaces Burn onwards.
The first examples:
The term growl can already be found in the blues, in the period in which this genre begins to merge with ragtime, giving rise to jazz. However, it does not indicate a singing technique but a vocal embellishment (present in the passages of strong intensity) typical of the blues (such as vibrato and glissato); for example growl embellishments can be heard in Louis Armstrong songs. The growl technique, although characterized by less energy than metal, is still based on the same type of guttural emission of the voice. The earliest examples of growls are in the rock songs I Put a Spell on You by Screamin 'Jay Hawkins from 1956, Boris the Spider from the Who from 1966, Careful with That Ax, Eugene and One of These Days by Pink Floyd respectively from 1968 and from 1971 and The Colony Of Slippermen by Genesis from 1974.
Contaminations:
It is increasingly difficult today to draw a clear dividing line between the two different styles of singing. In the most recent genres, such as nu metal, crossover or metalcore, there is a tendency to blend scream and growl in a scream with a penetrating and decidedly disruptive tone (called shout).
A good example can be the vocal setting of Corey Taylor, voice of Slipknot and Stone Sour, that of Max Cavalera, leader of the Brazilian Soulfly and once in Sepultura and that of Chuck Billy, singer of Testament. Another valid alternative is that of "pigsqueal" (from the English "grunt of the pig"). The technique consists in inhaling the air violently producing a sound similar to screaming but undoubtedly much more "round and full-bodied", even if it is considered as a technique that is not "true" by some. The technique in question is, however, absolutely harmless for the whole phono-articulatory apparatus, including the vocal cords. An in-depth study is required for a live use of the technique and is very uncomfortable for the execution of long sentences.
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You have defined these guys' interpretation as "devoid of atmosphere". Did you crave liquid nitrogen while they sang? What is the "lack of atmosphere" involved in? Which songs from ESC 2021 have "that vibe"? Define, take as an example. Not because I don't believe you but because I want to understand us better. I would like to understand if you really understand something about music or if you are the typical customer who goes to the restaurant and at the first taste raises his eyebrow in a sense of disgust and replies "This dish is slightly smoked and I also feel a hint of chives". The apotheosis of nothing, so to speak. Lack of New Age knowledge carried as a form of knowledge. In Rome they say "Me la canto e me la sono (suono)".
Now let's talk about the "weakest entry". Are you claiming that the melodic genre is superior to the rock genre? Do you know that you are spitting on your allies and proving that the "old ballads" are the best?
Do you know what makes me smile? Every time they hammered at us saying "Italy should bring something different" (which we do every year ... maybe you suffer from anterograde amnesia like in Nolan's movie "Memento") and when we bring "something different", something " closer to your sound ", you say our songs are weak? Your way of doing it is the simple demonstration of waiting for Italy to come out of its "safe musical line" to piss on us.
We don't want your 2 because it's a fake 2. Do you know why I say this? Because it's just a clever way to give us a 0 later. This will happen because they have yet to enter: Sweden, Russia, Latvia, Austria, Malta, UK, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Poland, Georgia, Bulgaria, Iceland (which you cannot vote but AshleyWright will), Greece, Switzerland and Macedonia. Like last year, you will be anxious to find something to necessarily oppose us (as if the ESC is not a European competition but it is enough to bury Italy). At least you have the courage to give us 0 and we respect you. Correct politicization is not for us.
Still not quite sure why this hatred for every Italian song and, when we are lucky, that "Soldi" by Mahmood (which has conquered the most sincere Arab community) comes out, you hastened to win "Arcade" a sort of romantic song in the wake of much hated "Fai Rumore".
Here there are people who break the "bromance" because a friend has decided to vote for us. These are the levels. The criticism is suffered by all but not at these pitiful levels.
I don't understand how you can hate our music when you have almost similar bands like "Hatari" (which also created a political case on the stage of Israel). Maybe you and Iceland are okay so na I'm surprised by the glorious UK that has decided to bow down to Sweden with the hope of picking up some crumbs. Instead of thinking about creating good music and strengthening its relationship with the "Big Five", the UK has preferred to follow a path that has often led to the "Bottom 5". If it hurts a lot of you that we brought the Rock (stuff you invented) it's not our fault. You just need to have courage.
Will you and your "Thumb Up" friend have the strength to be able to answer me in a balanced, detailed and sensible way? I think not. You will remain silent. However, I always have hope.
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I think you have scared daniels1000 away ... For some people (some) rock entries are just that. And I respect if people are saying this. Because you can't make them think otherwise.You've tried to give your own impression of the way Rock is done and I appreciate it but now I'm going to dismantle your every word. I invite you to answer me, if you think you can have enough arguments in contrast with mine. Careful. Reading the following message may make you "feel small".
We begin to dismantle what you say about our singer who "screams" in an inarticulate way:
What you call "shout" in Rock and its derivatives is called "Growl", "Yell" and "Scream". All this makes up what is recognized as the "Death Voice".
Growl (also called guttural voice) and scream are vocal techniques typically employed in the more extreme subgenres of heavy metal and hardcore punk. This vocal style, considered a diphonic song, is obtained through the use of the diaphragm, which controls the air debt responsible for the sound power; although it may seem that the growl (meaning "roar") and the scream ("shout") are two variations of the guttural voice in which the vocal cords are involved, in reality this illusion is due to the fact that the air stored through the control of the diaphragm is "thrown out", trying to produce hoarse and cavernous or guttural sounds through the throat, since they originate in the throat.
The DRAE defines guttural a sound "that is articulated by touching the back of the tongue with the posterior part of the palatine veil. There are at least two ways of supraglottic laryngeal constriction to obtain the guttural voice: the first technique is reproduced through the vibration of the strings. vowels, the second using the ariepiglottic fold.
Singers who use the growl and scream do not roar and do not really scream, but they use this diaphragmatic technique, as if they tried to really do it, that is, using the vocal cords, the latter would be severely damaged. The death chant is a brutal, scraped, practically screamed chant that is used to express anger, despair or, at times, melancholy.
Among the subgenres of metal in which growl or scream are most present are death metal, grindcore and black metal, although later other genres, such as gothic metal and nu metal currents and metalcore, began to involve the use of this particular style. The voice in growl and scream has also been used in musical genres that do not belong to metal, such as hardcore punk, post-hardcore, screamo and various others.
Let's stop for two seconds ... I'll give you time to be ashamed together with those who "like" you
Technique:
The scream, used mainly in black metal, is a screamed voice similar to an exasperated scream. This technique can also be done by dirtying the sound (and thus scratching the vocal cords) or by keeping it as clean as possible.
Distorted sounds like growl, scream, grunt and so on are not naturally produced by the common phoning mechanism. The diaphragm, by itself, produces the jet of air that makes the vocal cords vibrate, putting them in resonance, and does not produce sound waves by itself except through the passage through the vocal cords, which in any case tend to generate clean sounds. The singing techniques used in extreme metal genres are rather unnatural and in fact only very few singers in the sector know how to use technical measures to avoid or at least limit damage while others are often equipped with larger vocal cords, with a greater margin of resistance to stress. immediately in the emission of scratched voices, scream, growl and so on.
Growl:
The growl (from English, "growl"), is characterized by a dark and guttural timbre with a strong impact, as well as by a very deep sound, more serious than the scream which has a shrill and high pitched sound. This type of singing is an evolution of the screamed voice of thrash metal. The evolutionary process that led to the birth of the growl was started by Jeff Becerra of Possessed in the album Seven Churches, which is considered one of the first examples of death metal, later continued in the late eighties thanks to Chuck Schuldiner, with the album debut of Death Scream Bloody Gore, by David Vincent, Paul Speckmann and John Tardy with the first works of Morbid Angel, Master and Obituary, and concluded in the first half of the nineties with groups such as Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation and Dying Fetus.
This singing technique is used very widely in death metal, in its subgenres (brutal death metal, techno-death, deathcore, deathgrind or melodic death metal) and in grindcore, in which the growl is filtered and presents a further severe and strangled sound.
Examples of growls are those of Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth, Ross Dolan of Immolation, Glen Benton of Deicide, Frank Mullen of Suffocation, Karl Sanders of Nile, Johan Hegg of Amon Amarth, George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher of Cannibal Corpse, Chris Barnes of Six Feet Under and Mikael Stanne of Dark Tranquility
Growl is also widely used in doom metal and, in particular, in death doom metal and funeral doom metal; in the latter the vocalizations are made in such low and deep tones as to make the text of the passages incomprehensible. Some doomsters have renamed this new form of growl "sgrunts".
Over the years the growl has been used several times even in areas that are not exactly extreme and often combined with clean or harsh voices to produce a heavy but at the same time melodic sound. Metalcore is an example, where in many cases the powerful singing turns into a real growl, less deep and guttural than the brutal or grind one and closer to that typical of melodic death metal. This technique is often called "speech" where the singer does not have to lower the pitch of his voice, but keeps it at the same height as when speaking with the difference that the sound is always diaphragmatic. Examples of groups whose singers use speech can be Hatebreed or Despised Icon.
Yell:
Unlike the scream and the growl, the yell (or shout) does not exploit so much the use of the closure of the throat but the vocal cords and partly the diaphragm. It is a dirty, "shouted" and strained voice. The yell technique was born in Crustcore from bands like Disrupt and Extreme Noise Terror. It is also used by metalcore and deathcore bands such as Architects, Dead Swans or Bring Me the Horizon (the latter from Suicide Season onwards).
Screaming:
The vocal line of black metal, both traditional and melodic, is called scream ("to scream" in English means "scream") because the vocals are very scraped, high and vaguely sound like a scream of anger or despair.
A very valid example of a scream can be that of the deceased singer of Death (Chuck Schuldiner) in the album The Sound of Perseverance, but also that of the Norwegians Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, Immortal, Emperor, Satyricon, Gorgoroth and others. That of Tomas Lindberg, singer of At the Gates, or that of the late Valfar of Windir. Particular, then, is the scream by Dani Filth, singer of the British symphonic black metal band Cradle of Filth. His is a very particular scream, shared with Jon Kennedy of Hecate Enthroned, as it produces very high-pitched screams, which are very reminiscent of those of children. In the depressive black metal field it is easy to find further extremizations of the traditional black metal scream, such as desperate screams mixed with sobs and moans, usually introduced into the singing with a very theatrical tone: the particular scream of Nattramn, of the Silencers, is very well known: between other examples of such scream voices are bands like Bethlehem, Gris and Tim Yatras Austere and Woods of Desolation projects.
This technique takes months, if not years, to perform correctly. According to many doctors, the most correct technique is that of the "fry scream", which does not consist in screaming but in a modification of the diaphragmatic pitch through the throat. An example of a fry screamer could be Marilyn Manson or Randy Blythe of Lamb of God, from the album As the Palaces Burn onwards.
The first examples:
The term growl can already be found in the blues, in the period in which this genre begins to merge with ragtime, giving rise to jazz. However, it does not indicate a singing technique but a vocal embellishment (present in the passages of strong intensity) typical of the blues (such as vibrato and glissato); for example growl embellishments can be heard in Louis Armstrong songs. The growl technique, although characterized by less energy than metal, is still based on the same type of guttural emission of the voice. The earliest examples of growls are in the rock songs I Put a Spell on You by Screamin 'Jay Hawkins from 1956, Boris the Spider from the Who from 1966, Careful with That Ax, Eugene and One of These Days by Pink Floyd respectively from 1968 and from 1971 and The Colony Of Slippermen by Genesis from 1974.
Contaminations:
It is increasingly difficult today to draw a clear dividing line between the two different styles of singing. In the most recent genres, such as nu metal, crossover or metalcore, there is a tendency to blend scream and growl in a scream with a penetrating and decidedly disruptive tone (called shout).
A good example can be the vocal setting of Corey Taylor, voice of Slipknot and Stone Sour, that of Max Cavalera, leader of the Brazilian Soulfly and once in Sepultura and that of Chuck Billy, singer of Testament. Another valid alternative is that of "pigsqueal" (from the English "grunt of the pig"). The technique consists in inhaling the air violently producing a sound similar to screaming but undoubtedly much more "round and full-bodied", even if it is considered as a technique that is not "true" by some. The technique in question is, however, absolutely harmless for the whole phono-articulatory apparatus, including the vocal cords. An in-depth study is required for a live use of the technique and is very uncomfortable for the execution of long sentences.
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You have defined these guys' interpretation as "devoid of atmosphere". Did you crave liquid nitrogen while they sang? What is the "lack of atmosphere" involved in? Which songs from ESC 2021 have "that vibe"? Define, take as an example. Not because I don't believe you but because I want to understand us better. I would like to understand if you really understand something about music or if you are the typical customer who goes to the restaurant and at the first taste raises his eyebrow in a sense of disgust and replies "This dish is slightly smoked and I also feel a hint of chives". The apotheosis of nothing, so to speak. Lack of New Age knowledge carried as a form of knowledge. In Rome they say "Me la canto e me la sono (suono)".
Now let's talk about the "weakest entry". Are you claiming that the melodic genre is superior to the rock genre? Do you know that you are spitting on your allies and proving that the "old ballads" are the best?
Do you know what makes me smile? Every time they hammered at us saying "Italy should bring something different" (which we do every year ... maybe you suffer from anterograde amnesia like in Nolan's movie "Memento") and when we bring "something different", something " closer to your sound ", you say our songs are weak? Your way of doing it is the simple demonstration of waiting for Italy to come out of its "safe musical line" to piss on us.
We don't want your 2 because it's a fake 2. Do you know why I say this? Because it's just a clever way to give us a 0 later. This will happen because they have yet to enter: Sweden, Russia, Latvia, Austria, Malta, UK, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Poland, Georgia, Bulgaria, Iceland (which you cannot vote but AshleyWright will), Greece, Switzerland and Macedonia. Like last year, you will be anxious to find something to necessarily oppose us (as if the ESC is not a European competition but it is enough to bury Italy). At least you have the courage to give us 0 and we respect you. Correct politicization is not for us.
Still not quite sure why this hatred for every Italian song and, when we are lucky, that "Soldi" by Mahmood (which has conquered the most sincere Arab community) comes out, you hastened to win "Arcade" a sort of romantic song in the wake of much hated "Fai Rumore".
Here there are people who break the "bromance" because a friend has decided to vote for us. These are the levels. The criticism is suffered by all but not at these pitiful levels.
I don't understand how you can hate our music when you have almost similar bands like "Hatari" (which also created a political case on the stage of Israel). Maybe you and Iceland are okay so na I'm surprised by the glorious UK that has decided to bow down to Sweden with the hope of picking up some crumbs. Instead of thinking about creating good music and strengthening its relationship with the "Big Five", the UK has preferred to follow a path that has often led to the "Bottom 5". If it hurts a lot of you that we brought the Rock (stuff you invented) it's not our fault. You just need to have courage.
Will you and your "Thumb Up" friend have the strength to be able to answer me in a balanced, detailed and sensible way? I think not. You will remain silent. However, I always have hope.
So just let us enjoy Maneskin and let haters be.
First of all; I always stan a good rock entry. Because it is. Although I can`t really say Måneskin gives me the same feeling I have gotten when I have listened say Lordi, AWS, Jorn and Eirikur (just to mention some). But it`s good and I like it. This fallen angel gives
Italy and Måneskin points today.
Italy and Måneskin
points today. Franzilein
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Holy hell... Italy you freaking treasure of a country. This crappy contest doesn't deserve you. Up to the top with you, big fat 12 points, as is tradition
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Mauve, you are the voice of my reason, that little angel who whispers sweet words over my shoulder.I think you have scared daniels1000 away ... For some people (some) rock entries are just that. And I respect if people are saying this. Because you can't make them think otherwise.
I do not disagree with what you say and I do not pretend to make people adapt to my tastes and thoughts. I also accept 0 (not everyone loves Rock). However, when I see "empty theses" being systematically brought by the haters, don't I have to tell them they are wrong? Perhaps my monologues are very sharp but I, to dear Daniels, have only explained that "the inarticulate scream" makes sense. The same thing I did when I read that the Maneskin lyrics are tough ... Maneskins are angels compared to other rockers talking about drugs, sex, violence and newborn fetuses scattered on the floor. People have to overcome ignorance (a form of not knowing) with education.
Do you know what bothered me? Not the judgment per se of these people but the making of "a national body of dissent". For me this hides malice. Maybe I'm wrong but this was my impression. It bothered me to read about users threatening their friends to unfriend them if they voted for us. It annoyed me that every year a way is found to attack us vehemently. I am bothered by the lack of objectivity ... that lack of objectivity that brings beautiful songs to be sunk and songs to Benjamin Ingrosso praised. There is something beyond musical taste, Mauve. Then there are eurofans like RainyWoods that I respect from the bottom of my heart and others like Anaraqueen that I am learning to appreciate.
I am not interested in anything, we will do our fair competition.
Anyway ... forgive me my oratory art ... Cicero's blood is likely to run in my veins haha. My words are worse than flaming arrows haha.
H.P. Lovecraft
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Holy hell ... Franzilein ... after reading this I opened the window of my room and I am looking at the sky. I feel melancholy about you without even knowing you. Cupid's arrow pierced my fragile heart!Holy hell... Italy you freaking treasure of a country. This crappy contest doesn't deserve you. Up to the top with you, big fat 12 points, as is tradition
Don't you hear this music too? Or is it a suggestion of my mind?
Guns N' Roses - November Rain
Official Music Video for "November Rain" performed by Guns N' Roses from their third studio album, 'Use Your Illusion I.' Featured in Thor: Love and Thunder....
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Seriously
, thanks for the nice words 
I'm just reacting to the first part. While I appreciate your deep analysis and the time it must has taken, I feel like you missed a point.You've tried to give your own impression of the way Rock is done and I appreciate it but now I'm going to dismantle your every word. I invite you to answer me, if you think you can have enough arguments in contrast with mine. Careful. Reading the following message may make you "feel small".
We begin to dismantle what you say about our singer who "screams" in an inarticulate way:
What you call "shout" in Rock and its derivatives is called "Growl", "Yell" and "Scream". All this makes up what is recognized as the "Death Voice".
Growl (also called guttural voice) and scream are vocal techniques typically employed in the more extreme subgenres of heavy metal and hardcore punk. This vocal style, considered a diphonic song, is obtained through the use of the diaphragm, which controls the air debt responsible for the sound power; although it may seem that the growl (meaning "roar") and the scream ("shout") are two variations of the guttural voice in which the vocal cords are involved, in reality this illusion is due to the fact that the air stored through the control of the diaphragm is "thrown out", trying to produce hoarse and cavernous or guttural sounds through the throat, since they originate in the throat.
The DRAE defines guttural a sound "that is articulated by touching the back of the tongue with the posterior part of the palatine veil. There are at least two ways of supraglottic laryngeal constriction to obtain the guttural voice: the first technique is reproduced through the vibration of the strings. vowels, the second using the ariepiglottic fold.
Singers who use the growl and scream do not roar and do not really scream, but they use this diaphragmatic technique, as if they tried to really do it, that is, using the vocal cords, the latter would be severely damaged. The death chant is a brutal, scraped, practically screamed chant that is used to express anger, despair or, at times, melancholy.
Among the subgenres of metal in which growl or scream are most present are death metal, grindcore and black metal, although later other genres, such as gothic metal and nu metal currents and metalcore, began to involve the use of this particular style. The voice in growl and scream has also been used in musical genres that do not belong to metal, such as hardcore punk, post-hardcore, screamo and various others.
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Technique:
The scream, used mainly in black metal, is a screamed voice similar to an exasperated scream. This technique can also be done by dirtying the sound (and thus scratching the vocal cords) or by keeping it as clean as possible.
Distorted sounds like growl, scream, grunt and so on are not naturally produced by the common phoning mechanism. The diaphragm, by itself, produces the jet of air that makes the vocal cords vibrate, putting them in resonance, and does not produce sound waves by itself except through the passage through the vocal cords, which in any case tend to generate clean sounds. The singing techniques used in extreme metal genres are rather unnatural and in fact only very few singers in the sector know how to use technical measures to avoid or at least limit damage while others are often equipped with larger vocal cords, with a greater margin of resistance to stress. immediately in the emission of scratched voices, scream, growl and so on.
Growl:
The growl (from English, "growl"), is characterized by a dark and guttural timbre with a strong impact, as well as by a very deep sound, more serious than the scream which has a shrill and high pitched sound. This type of singing is an evolution of the screamed voice of thrash metal. The evolutionary process that led to the birth of the growl was started by Jeff Becerra of Possessed in the album Seven Churches, which is considered one of the first examples of death metal, later continued in the late eighties thanks to Chuck Schuldiner, with the album debut of Death Scream Bloody Gore, by David Vincent, Paul Speckmann and John Tardy with the first works of Morbid Angel, Master and Obituary, and concluded in the first half of the nineties with groups such as Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation and Dying Fetus.
This singing technique is used very widely in death metal, in its subgenres (brutal death metal, techno-death, deathcore, deathgrind or melodic death metal) and in grindcore, in which the growl is filtered and presents a further severe and strangled sound.
Examples of growls are those of Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth, Ross Dolan of Immolation, Glen Benton of Deicide, Frank Mullen of Suffocation, Karl Sanders of Nile, Johan Hegg of Amon Amarth, George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher of Cannibal Corpse, Chris Barnes of Six Feet Under and Mikael Stanne of Dark Tranquility
Growl is also widely used in doom metal and, in particular, in death doom metal and funeral doom metal; in the latter the vocalizations are made in such low and deep tones as to make the text of the passages incomprehensible. Some doomsters have renamed this new form of growl "sgrunts".
Over the years the growl has been used several times even in areas that are not exactly extreme and often combined with clean or harsh voices to produce a heavy but at the same time melodic sound. Metalcore is an example, where in many cases the powerful singing turns into a real growl, less deep and guttural than the brutal or grind one and closer to that typical of melodic death metal. This technique is often called "speech" where the singer does not have to lower the pitch of his voice, but keeps it at the same height as when speaking with the difference that the sound is always diaphragmatic. Examples of groups whose singers use speech can be Hatebreed or Despised Icon.
Yell:
Unlike the scream and the growl, the yell (or shout) does not exploit so much the use of the closure of the throat but the vocal cords and partly the diaphragm. It is a dirty, "shouted" and strained voice. The yell technique was born in Crustcore from bands like Disrupt and Extreme Noise Terror. It is also used by metalcore and deathcore bands such as Architects, Dead Swans or Bring Me the Horizon (the latter from Suicide Season onwards).
Screaming:
The vocal line of black metal, both traditional and melodic, is called scream ("to scream" in English means "scream") because the vocals are very scraped, high and vaguely sound like a scream of anger or despair.
A very valid example of a scream can be that of the deceased singer of Death (Chuck Schuldiner) in the album The Sound of Perseverance, but also that of the Norwegians Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, Immortal, Emperor, Satyricon, Gorgoroth and others. That of Tomas Lindberg, singer of At the Gates, or that of the late Valfar of Windir. Particular, then, is the scream by Dani Filth, singer of the British symphonic black metal band Cradle of Filth. His is a very particular scream, shared with Jon Kennedy of Hecate Enthroned, as it produces very high-pitched screams, which are very reminiscent of those of children. In the depressive black metal field it is easy to find further extremizations of the traditional black metal scream, such as desperate screams mixed with sobs and moans, usually introduced into the singing with a very theatrical tone: the particular scream of Nattramn, of the Silencers, is very well known: between other examples of such scream voices are bands like Bethlehem, Gris and Tim Yatras Austere and Woods of Desolation projects.
This technique takes months, if not years, to perform correctly. According to many doctors, the most correct technique is that of the "fry scream", which does not consist in screaming but in a modification of the diaphragmatic pitch through the throat. An example of a fry screamer could be Marilyn Manson or Randy Blythe of Lamb of God, from the album As the Palaces Burn onwards.
The first examples:
The term growl can already be found in the blues, in the period in which this genre begins to merge with ragtime, giving rise to jazz. However, it does not indicate a singing technique but a vocal embellishment (present in the passages of strong intensity) typical of the blues (such as vibrato and glissato); for example growl embellishments can be heard in Louis Armstrong songs. The growl technique, although characterized by less energy than metal, is still based on the same type of guttural emission of the voice. The earliest examples of growls are in the rock songs I Put a Spell on You by Screamin 'Jay Hawkins from 1956, Boris the Spider from the Who from 1966, Careful with That Ax, Eugene and One of These Days by Pink Floyd respectively from 1968 and from 1971 and The Colony Of Slippermen by Genesis from 1974.
Contaminations:
It is increasingly difficult today to draw a clear dividing line between the two different styles of singing. In the most recent genres, such as nu metal, crossover or metalcore, there is a tendency to blend scream and growl in a scream with a penetrating and decidedly disruptive tone (called shout).
A good example can be the vocal setting of Corey Taylor, voice of Slipknot and Stone Sour, that of Max Cavalera, leader of the Brazilian Soulfly and once in Sepultura and that of Chuck Billy, singer of Testament. Another valid alternative is that of "pigsqueal" (from the English "grunt of the pig"). The technique consists in inhaling the air violently producing a sound similar to screaming but undoubtedly much more "round and full-bodied", even if it is considered as a technique that is not "true" by some. The technique in question is, however, absolutely harmless for the whole phono-articulatory apparatus, including the vocal cords. An in-depth study is required for a live use of the technique and is very uncomfortable for the execution of long sentences.
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People aren't denying the complexity of rock, neither the work and technique artists must display to perform. What they are saying is that feels like it's screaming/shouting/simple whatever they say. Which is not the same. It's a matter of facts vs impressions. They aren't stupid, we're all music lovers here, with our own taste, we know there's more to it than what we perceive, but that's the point : in the end, what allows us to make a judgment and decide whether we like or dislike a song, is the impression it gives us.
Here you talked in length about the vocals techniques of rock, I'll give you another example : Ukraine. Katya has a particular singing style, the white voice, which is traditionally found in Eastern Europe. You will find poss there where people either love it or think it's shrinking. They know it's a hard technique, they know that's the point of the whole song. They still don't like it, and that's fine.
In conclusion, yes, you can prove that a genre displays more versatility or more technique than what appears at first, but you can't change how people perceive it.