Italy ITALY 2021 - Måneskin - Zitti e buoni

[escYOUnited]

Sanremo 2021: Vote for YOUR favourite!

Loro non sanno di che parlo
Voi siete sporchi, fra’, di fango
Giallo di siga’ fra le dita
Io con la siga’ camminando
Scusami, ma ci credo tanto
Che posso fare questo salto
Anche se la strada è in salita
Per questo ora mi sto allenando

E buonasera signore e signori
Fuori gli attori
Vi conviene toccarvi i coglioni
Vi conviene stare zitti e buoni
Qui la gente è strana, tipo spacciatori
Troppe notti stavo chiuso fuori
Mo’ li prendo a calci, ‘sti portoni
Sguardo in alto, tipo scalatori
Quindi scusa mamma se sto sempre fuori, ma

Sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
No

Io ho scritto pagine e pagine
Ho visto sale, poi lacrime
Questi uomini in macchina
Non scalare le rapide
Scritto sopra una lapide
"In casa mia non c’è Dio"
Ma se trovi il senso del tempo
Risalirai dal tuo oblio
E non c’è vento che fermi
La naturale potenza
Dal punto giusto di vista
Del vento senti l’ebrezza
Con ali in cera alla schiena
Ricercherò quell’altezza
Se vuoi fermarmi, ritenta
Prova a tagliarmi la testa
Perché

Sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro

Parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cosa parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria
E parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cosa parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria
Parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cazzo parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria

Ma sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro

Noi siamo diversi da loro​

 

[nudiecrudi]

I am not sure what we're talking about here even? I am not going to sit and review all ESC countries in this thread

I gave a couple of countries that tend to be more, lack of better words; "forward-thinking in an ESC context. I don't agree they are more conservative than Italy, then again I didn't say that Italy was conservative either (I just said that for some reason some of your more conservative entries became more successful... but the same can be said about many other countries since being forward-thinking in ESC, especially when the juries are so conservative, is risky).

I don't know if you have followed Sanremo this year and maybe listened to the songs.
In case you did, is there any one of them considered risky and maybe worthy to go to Esc?

 

[A-lister]

I don't know if you have followed Sanremo this year and maybe listened to the songs.
In case you did, is there any one of them considered risky and maybe worthy to go to Esc?

Again, risky isn't the right word maybe, sometimes in ESC just being modern enough is more forward-thinking than the majority

I really think Madame would have been a cool choice, I also liked Irama, Annalisa and F&F (I know the last three aren't anything particularly new, but competent modern enough tracks... and sometimes that's enough).

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

I want to summarize everything that happened: It all started after I said that Italy had finished second in the Betting Odds. Since then, when I got back, I saw that a strong argument had erupted

I'm glad that our musical movement generates debate but I don't like the turn things always take. However, this is closed.

I wanted to make some scattered considerations:

-) Music is not "fireworks" but "fireworks" have to adapt to the music. It takes substance. There are, even here in Italy, catchy successful music that people still sing. The problem is when the catchy music becomes "industry" and is produced in series, "without a soul" and only accompanied by sparkling lights, strange dances and a lot of publicity. Do you know when a song is a winner? When many years have passed, people still sing this.

-) It seems that the Italian songs, for some, are encyclopedias or Dante's "Divine Comedy". It doesn't seem to me that the other songs competing at the ESC are without words ... It's a concept I don't understand. It seems to me an excuse to say that we are still anchored to the "melodic genre".

-) I don't care in the least that I overtook Sweden for pages or views. It is nonsense.

-) Italy has never snubbed the ESC. Our absence was decided by Rai and our record companies. Don't make me repeat why. I have already explained it abundantly. I just add that we have honored every competition since our return with high level entries and have always been respectful. We cannot do more than this.

-) We play to win but in the end we don't care much about winning. Winning involves having to host the next edition. For us it is already a satisfactory result to make the public dream and reach the "Top 10". Also, getting sick because "we don't win the ESC" seems pretty pointless to me.

-) Italian music is not only melodic. We have different musical genres and all at high levels. In Sanremo 2021 we demonstrated everything: from dance to rap, from Indie to R&B up ... to reach our dear melody. All this abundance of genres has allowed us to leave Irama and other highly rated singers at home. In this year's Sanremo, the melodies were sung by Orietta Berti, Ermal Meta, Arisa and Malika Ayane. Does 5 out of 26 singers make you think that we are anchored in the past?

-) I see some others being conservative but then we are the ones who are defined as such. We do not care. We have broad shoulders.

We try to enjoy music without stressing ourselves. It seems like we have to testify in court every time. We brought our song. Like it? Wow! Do not like? Ok. It is a festival, it is a time of leisure and fun. There is no reason to "lose our head" in anger.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Again, risky isn't the right word maybe, sometimes in ESC just being modern enough is more forward-thinking than the majority

I really think Madame would have been a cool choice, I also liked Irama, Annalisa and F&F (I know the last three aren't anything particularly new, but competent modern enough tracks... and sometimes that's enough).

A-lister, Irama would have been destroyed by Senhit or other entries. Instead it is the Maneskin who are the most dangerous choice. One who cheered Irama tells you this precisely because he had "a sound that everyone could agree".

 

[A-lister]

A-lister, Irama would have been destroyed by Senhit or other entries. Instead it is the Maneskin who are the most dangerous choice. One who cheered Irama tells you this precisely because he had "a sound that everyone could agree".

Unlike some others I didn't even state my opinion on Maneskin yet, I have a personal tradition to review the chosen ESC entrants in the end when all countries have picked their entries so I will have to say "to be continued" on that one.

 

[jatojo]

Me, before seeing the English translation: What's the lyrics about?
Me, after seeing the English translation: What's the lyrics about?

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Me, before seeing the English translation: What's the lyrics about?
Me, after seeing the English translation: What's the lyrics about?

Me after reading your message: The text talks about the rebellion, carried out with the will to let the criticisms and prejudices of the people slip on, which very often limit people's lives. Furthermore, this song sings the praises of diversity, which must be understood as an added value, capable of enriching the culture.

This song fights just what we are facing: prejudice.

 

[jatojo]

My parents were shocked that rock entry can win San Remo..They still live in the era of Iva Zanicchi and Al Bano & Romina Power!

I'm impressed that a televote based contest can generate three so different winners: Italy 2019, Italy 2020, and Italy 2021 are as diverse as it gets!

 

[Pål Nordahl]

Wanna know who doesn't care about pointless forum arguments?
This base slaying queen right here. Sweet Dreams, Victoria de Angelis.

 

[BarefootBoogaloo]

Live look at the thread today:

 

[Loindici]

Moonshine, moonlight, and Maneskin.

First of all, I'll say it's a solid offering by Maneskin and it's a good example of a song in its genre. I'm excited when I heard Maneskin have won the contest, and also excited to hear the song, but... why do I feel it's not as festive/explosive as I thought it would be? I'm not a rock enthusiast, though, it might factor to my way of perceiving it, but I feel Zitti e Buoni somehow just sits there and be a nice glam rock song. Its structure is normal and commercial, but while there's nothing new, there's nothing really exciting either (maybe except for the fastrapping second verse, that's a plus). This is a different feeling when I can warm up easier to Soldi and be happy for Fai rumore after such a long time, I'm confused with what should I feel for Zitti e Buoni.

Is it fair for me to give it a ? I was supposed to be excited, but it kind of let me down?

 

[I bims]

What happened in this thread?
Please just get along, that's what this whole contest is about. It's not about who has the best taste/ who is right or wrong. It's coming together and having a distraction from everything else that drives us apart.

Well anyway. What I actually wanted to post:

I'm upgrading this from a 3 to a

I just can't get into it to give it a better score. It's not the kind of music I enjoy. But I have to give more credit because it's great at what it wants to be. And the whole performance is passionate and just unapologetically non-conforming/ ~gay~. A middlefinger to everyone that only tolerates differences when they are hidden. And especially coming from a country I considered very conservative.

 

[nudiecrudi]

Again, risky isn't the right word maybe, sometimes in ESC just being modern enough is more forward-thinking than the majority

I really think Madame would have been a cool choice, I also liked Irama, Annalisa and F&F (I know the last three aren't anything particularly new, but competent modern enough tracks... and sometimes that's enough).

I also liked Madame and Irama too, they were in my top 5 together with Maneskin, LRDL and Colapesce Dimartino.
As you see I like different genres and kind of artists, but in this group only Irama and Maneskin were the ones ready for an ESC experience, my opinion, and both are competent modern tracks ( i think rock is always modern and contemporary, its an evergreen genre ).
Let me tell you what i really really found contemporary, unique and qualitative in the 5 last past years: Hatari, Conan Osiris and Soldi. All the other ones are just a declination of what we have heard before.

 

[crashworld]

A-lister, Irama would have been destroyed by Senhit or other entries. Instead it is the Maneskin who are the most dangerous choice. One who cheered Irama tells you this precisely because he had "a sound that everyone could agree".

Why would you think so? I think Irama has the best chance of getting Italy another good results (ie. top 5).
His entry is modern and pretty anthemic. Plus, he is a competent performer. If he is given a great staging, he may be even in it for the win.

My only issue with Italy is they are usually a miss in their staging. I know it's likely they don't want to be "showy" like Sweden.
But I just feel most of the times the staging under-sell the song.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Good morning Crashworld. I will gladly reply to your interesting message.

Irama would have made a good run at the ESC but do you want to know what position in the standings he would have obtained? From fourth to eighth position. Italy has always reached the "Top 10" because it has always "played to win". When playing for first place you can always reach in the top 10. When you play to reach the "Top 10" there is a risk that you will not always be able to make it. Irama was a "Top 10" artist while the Maneskins can fight for the top spot (and trust me, Crashworld, that dear A-lister knows - in Sweden the Lyllasister were eliminated because of the Maneskin).

Irama had two fundamental problems:

-) Over time the song could go out of fashion. In Italy these songs are known as "Summer Tormentoni", songs with instant success but which over time lose a little of their strength.

-) There is a lot of "catchy song" competition: from San Marino to, I think, Azerbaijan. We had to avoid ending up in this "musical trail".

-) It would have been cut down by some clever Eurofans who would have preferred something else, from San Marino to Australia (yes, I have read of some who considered "Technicolour" a masterpiece ...). If you base this on our historic "lack of strong alliances", Irama was destined to finish second on one of these songs.

I agree when you say that a great staging the song can get more strength but ... that's when the song exists! Honestly, apart from ABBA, Europe and Lundvik's "Too Late For Love" which I still sing, I don't remember a song from Sweden. Commercial songs full of lights. This is also an excellent form of market. But the difference between commercial and quality songs is similar to building a house and the Colosseum. One question, would you ever get Benjamin Ingrosso into "Top 10"? For me it is not an offense for Italy but for the other nations that dream of the "Top 10". In fact, Benji was second in the juries and twenty-third in televoting. So, my thinking is not incomprehensible. I only say what many think but do not say (because it is better not to lose an alliance).

Now I will continue making some considerations that are apparently distant from our speech but in reality they will make you understand why Italy is forced to always have to make difficult decisions (which make it even more unpleasant to those who would like us below).

Italy was considered by some users to be "overrated". I don't speak Italian but as a music lover, is this really what my ears must hear? We Italians are normally peaceful and suffer from a syndrome, the "syndrome of xenophilia". What is this syndrome? It is an exaggerated form of respect towards foreign countries. We often close our eyes to our beauties and see with admiration the efforts abroad. We are accustomed to praising many companies distant from ours. However, when we read and hear bad things about us ... well ... we fight! Not with violence but with the hard, thorny and insurmountable force of logic. Do you want to make comparisons? Ok! Let's do them!

Why, instead of calling ourselves "overrated", do we not accept that we are a capable nation? A nation that musically must not be overestimated or underestimated. When I read "overrated" by some users' messages, I notice a certain impatience.

This is due to a profound reason. How does Italy, without any alliance, be competitive every year? This is annoying because it clearly makes it clear that "Made in Italy" is synonymous with quality and ... when A-lister and company see this, even if they help each other and win, they don't really feel like winners. Pyrrhic's victories are useless. So we are accused of being "bearers of old ballads" and "conservatives". Let's go back to the alliances, it was not us Italians but the BBC that brought the issue of "voting blocks" to the attention. Historically, we Italians have no alliance: we have friendships with France, Germany, Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Malta, Croatia, Albania, Portugal and Switzerland but they are not real alliances. Yet, after all this, we are always competitive ... this tears the hearts of our detractors. Crashworld ... ESC is something wonderful and I'm glad it brought us all closer but don't believe the twinkling lights.

Europe should not take an example from sparkling lights without content but from a text full of passion to which it can add a skilful staging. Otherwise, it's all... false...

However, in my short life (I am young but not very young), I have learned to look beyond the flags and evaluate people, one by one. Because if it is true that there is a detractor, there is always a Mauve with whom you can exchange balanced speeches and laugh. When I spoke, many posts back, of Brit-fans I was referring to some individuals who have chosen to join together and come here to "spit judgments" and 0 accompanied by caustic words. I have seen many other Brit fans who have enjoyed our music and I am happy with that. I don't want 12s, I also accept 0s but this must be done without any malice. I continue to like Preuss, Mrm and many others who half like or don't consider our song as "Top 10".

I want to close the message by telling you that, in addition to the quality we have, in the light of what has been explained, Irama was not the right choice and that if the thinking of some users is changing it is because we Italians are here to explain our music with respect. This is what I did with Daniels1000, I did not offend him but I explained to him the technique behind the "shouting", as Edweis herself explained to me some things I was not aware of about the Ukrainian singer .

Well ... now I can die of a heart attack ... after this long conversation I have no energy left haha.

A kiss for you, Crashworld.

 

[i anixi]

There's no way this is winning eurovision, is there? It's just the bookmakers have got used to having Italy on top and feel sort of uncomfortable to change that established order of things. Is it that or could they be getting a perverse kick out of seeing it flop year after year?

 

[mauve]

Good morning Crashworld. I will gladly reply to your interesting message.

Irama would have made a good run at the ESC but do you want to know what position in the standings he would have obtained? From fourth to eighth position. Italy has always reached the "Top 10" because it has always "played to win". When playing for first place you can always reach in the top 10. When you play to reach the "Top 10" there is a risk that you will not always be able to make it. Irama was a "Top 10" artist while the Maneskins can fight for the top spot (and trust me, Crashworld, that dear A-lister knows - in Sweden the Lyllasister were eliminated because of the Maneskin).

Irama had two fundamental problems:

-) Over time the song could go out of fashion. In Italy these songs are known as "Summer Tormentoni", songs with instant success but which over time lose a little of their strength.

-) There is a lot of "catchy song" competition: from San Marino to, I think, Azerbaijan. We had to avoid ending up in this "musical trail".

-) It would have been cut down by some clever Eurofans who would have preferred something else, from San Marino to Australia (yes, I have read of some who considered "Technicolour" a masterpiece ...). If you base this on our historic "lack of strong alliances", Irama was destined to finish second on one of these songs.

I agree when you say that a great staging the song can get more strength but ... that's when the song exists! Honestly, apart from ABBA, Europe and Lundvik's "Too Late For Love" which I still sing, I don't remember a song from Sweden. Commercial songs full of lights. This is also an excellent form of market. But the difference between commercial and quality songs is similar to building a house and the Colosseum. One question, would you ever get Benjamin Ingrosso into "Top 10"? For me it is not an offense for Italy but for the other nations that dream of the "Top 10". In fact, Benji was second in the juries and twenty-third in televoting. So, my thinking is not incomprehensible. I only say what many think but do not say (because it is better not to lose an alliance).

Now I will continue making some considerations that are apparently distant from our speech but in reality they will make you understand why Italy is forced to always have to make difficult decisions (which make it even more unpleasant to those who would like us below).

Italy was considered by some users to be "overrated". I don't speak Italian but as a music lover, is this really what my ears must hear? We Italians are normally peaceful and suffer from a syndrome, the "syndrome of xenophilia". What is this syndrome? It is an exaggerated form of respect towards foreign countries. We often close our eyes to our beauties and see with admiration the efforts abroad. We are accustomed to praising many companies distant from ours. However, when we read and hear bad things about us ... well ... we fight! Not with violence but with the hard, thorny and insurmountable force of logic. Do you want to make comparisons? Ok! Let's do them!

Why, instead of calling ourselves "overrated", do we not accept that we are a capable nation? A nation that musically must not be overestimated or underestimated. When I read "overrated" by some users' messages, I notice a certain impatience.

This is due to a profound reason. How does Italy, without any alliance, be competitive every year? This is annoying because it clearly makes it clear that "Made in Italy" is synonymous with quality and ... when A-lister and company see this, even if they help each other and win, they don't really feel like winners. Pyrrhic's victories are useless. So we are accused of being "bearers of old ballads" and "conservatives". Let's go back to the alliances, it was not us Italians but the BBC that brought the issue of "voting blocks" to the attention. Historically, we Italians have no alliance: we have friendships with France, Germany, Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Malta, Croatia, Albania, Portugal and Switzerland but they are not real alliances. Yet, after all this, we are always competitive ... this tears the hearts of our detractors. Crashworld ... ESC is something wonderful and I'm glad it brought us all closer but don't believe the twinkling lights.

Europe should not take an example from sparkling lights without content but from a text full of passion to which it can add a skilful staging. Otherwise, it's all... false...

However, in my short life (I am young but not very young), I have learned to look beyond the flags and evaluate people, one by one. Because if it is true that there is a detractor, there is always a Mauve with whom you can exchange balanced speeches and laugh. When I spoke, many posts back, of Brit-fans I was referring to some individuals who have chosen to join together and come here to "spit judgments" and 0 accompanied by caustic words. I have seen many other Brit fans who have enjoyed our music and I am happy with that. I don't want 12s, I also accept 0s but this must be done without any malice. I continue to like Preuss, Mrm and many others who half like or don't consider our song as "Top 10".

I want to close the message by telling you that, in addition to the quality we have, in the light of what has been explained, Irama was not the right choice and that if the thinking of some users is changing it is because we Italians are here to explain our music with respect. This is what I did with Daniels1000, I did not offend him but I explained to him the technique behind the "shouting", as Edweis herself explained to me some things I was not aware of about the Ukrainian singer .

Well ... now I can die of a heart attack ... after this long conversation I have no energy left haha.

A kiss for you, Crashworld.

When our beloved Lovecraft starts with

Good morning Crashworld. I will gladly reply to your interesting message.

then you need to be prepared @crashworld

because Lovecraft becomes Cicero once again.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

When our beloved Lovecraft starts with

Good morning Crashworld. I will gladly reply to your interesting message.

then you need to be prepared @crashworld

because Lovecraft becomes Cicero once again.

Haha what to expect from the "nightmare prince"?

I really like the dialogue, Mauve. Furthermore, this is a quality that I recognize myself, it is that my words show all of myself: my simplicity, my emotions and my thoughts. I want to create an empathic bridge with everyone. I would like us to grow through dialogue and become more friends than we are. Perhaps it is a utopia that like all those of the past is destined to run aground but ... I don't care ... like Icarus I will collapse to the ground but for a single and miserable moment I had the power to fly!

A kiss for you, Mauve

 

[HayashiM]

There's no way this is winning eurovision, is there? It's just the bookmakers have got used to having Italy on top and feel sort of uncomfortable to change that established order of things. Is it that or could they be getting a perverse kick out of seeing it flop year after year?

I don't know if this is winning Eurovision of not, however Italy's odds have improved since Maneskin won. If Italy's odds were about established order of things only, the opposite would've been true and we would see those odds getting worse (which is precisely what we see happening with Russia).

 

[nudiecrudi]

There's no way this is winning eurovision, is there? It's just the bookmakers have got used to having Italy on top and feel sort of uncomfortable to change that established order of things. Is it that or could they be getting a perverse kick out of seeing it flop year after year?

I agree with you completely.
But dreaming doesn't cost anything.
Have you forgotten when you started to dream a week before eurovision 2017?
At that time nobody was believing Portugal was going to win. But it happened.