Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[ESC94]

Even as someone who kinda likes the song I´m relieved it didn´t win, for the future of the contest and especially for Eden as a person who would´ve gotten even more hate.

 

[NeoTen]

When did they change that back then? Last year? So its only in the final when their televote result is generated?

Just gonna mention that in 2022, San Marino jury and 5 other countries came together to cheat and give each other high rankings and there scores were removed and replaced by the EBU. Even though they are not allowed to communicate with other juries and are supposed to stay in their own country and have a lawyer/judge/notary present. Just mentioning it for the record books, people still act like juries follow all rules, but all experienced and not drunk press walking at ESC knows some of the broadcasters are corrupt.

 

[hijirio]

Slava Ukraini, Geroyam Slava

Dok je srca, bit će i Kroacije

 

[crashworld]

Eden 2nd in the tele-vote with 323 points and 5th place overall. Amazing result and she can be very proud.

She'll go down as a national hero with everything she's gone through.

Particularly nice to see the silent majority in give her 10.

I said it before, people are just over-reacting. I know Israel won't win. I am happy with the overall results. Well done, Eden.
I expected the juries to tank Eden badly but it wasn't as bad as I expected.

 

[FitzyUK]

Song was good but did not think it deserved the placing it got. I had it in 11th. I also think the fake cheers put over the boos during the song was wrong, giving people watching at home the wrong impression of peoples opinions in the arena. She performed it well considering.

 

[John1]

The question is, were these so-called reports to EBU? Or just X posts?
And have there been any formal complaint made by the affected delegations?

All I have heard is the Spanish one, but that was involving the Spain journalist and Israeli press where both parties are not part of the delegations.

I could have been blind or missed out due to so many controversies and misinformation going on, do pardon me.

The Israeli delegation harassed Joost & Bambie by taking pictures without their consent. So that kinda makes it up for the rest.

 

[soulm8]

I used to love the Unicorn, but I really hope Israel will not participate in near future. The chaos their participation included, the fake cheering and anti-booing system, turned this into the most fabricated contest even more than Ukraine 2022.

 

[RavenSong]

I used to love the Unicorn, but I really hope Israel will not participate in near future. The chaos their participation included, the fake cheering and anti-booing system, turned this into the most fabricated contest even more than Ukraine 2022.

If anyone should be banned, it is the Belgian broadcaster that refused to show the Israeli performance.

 

[Ianp16]

All I can say is thank fuck this didn’t win.

 

[Looren]

If anyone should be banned, it is the Belgian broadcaster that refused to show the Israeli performance.

Except they did show the performance lol

 

[MS.]

If anyone should be banned, it is the Belgian broadcaster that refused to show the Israeli performance.

Some people like to talk even though they don't check the facts...

 

[Chorizo]

I used to love the Unicorn, but I really hope Israel will not participate in near future. The chaos their participation included, the fake cheering and anti-booing system, turned this into the most fabricated contest even more than Ukraine 2022.

I remember how awful the fake cheers were in Vienna in 2015. We finally got to host again for the first time since 1967 and then we had to deal with the mess created by Russia. This year, it was Israel. Countries that cause problems like this should be banned. This unjustifiable exception for Israel must stop. The EBU should look for a new sponsor and ban Israel. There are enough reasons to do so.

 

[4815162342]

I remember how awful the fake cheers were in Vienna in 2015. We finally got to host again for the first time since 1967 and then we had to deal with the mess created by Russia. This year, it was Israel. Countries that cause problems like this should be banned. This unjustifiable exception for Israel must stop. The EBU should look for a new sponsor and ban Israel. There are enough reasons to do so.

Its hateful people like who cause problems.
Did you even direct 1% of the hate you are sending towards Israel towards Hamas?

 

[Lumina]

This. People are so ignorant because they stan their queens and idols that they blindly believe everything they see or hear and that is so dangerous!!

Israel just wanted to compete and it’s not people who are going to judge if the participation should be allowed!

Neither the fans, nor the delegations, nor the artists! It’s EBU and EBU alone who is responsible for letting them participate and if they are ok with it, people should be too!!!

 

[Slabsson79]

I remember how awful the fake cheers were in Vienna in 2015. We finally got to host again for the first time since 1967 and then we had to deal with the mess created by Russia. This year, it was Israel. Countries that cause problems like this should be banned. This unjustifiable exception for Israel must stop. The EBU should look for a new sponsor and ban Israel. There are enough reasons to do so.

You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is, Israel should stay.

 

[Lumina]

You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is, Israel should stay.

Now more than ever!

 

[Sultana]

Thanks to RAI I was prepared for a massive 300+ votes by televote for Israel. However, I believe that for the sake of the contest and to avoid future problems caused by political situations and ongoing conflicts it is better for countries like Israel and Russia to stay away from the contest as their participation causes controversies here and there, creates uncomfortable situations for delegates and makes everything even more complicated. The Grand Final day showed it crystal clear that it was not about unity but was about scandals and investigations.

 

[John1]

Thanks to RAI I was prepared for a massive 300+ votes by televote for Israel. However, I believe that for the sake of the contest and to avoid future problems caused by political situations and ongoing conflicts it is better for countries like Israel and Russia to stay away from the contest as their participation causes controversies here and there, creates uncomfortable situations for delegates and makes everything even more complicated. The Grand Final day showed it crystal clear that it was not about unity but was about scandals and investigations.

The thing is that Israel's participation didn't cause as much fuss as it does nowadays, though. And it's so saddening, because I enjoyed most their entries, 2023 included.

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

Juries saving us two years in a row, coz political situation aside, this was *not* a song or a performance worthy of 300+ tele points, and under other circumstances it would struggle to gather 100 tele.

 

[Lumina]

However, I believe that for the sake of the contest and to avoid future problems …

Here's my opinion: the problems were made by countries and delegations when it was already too late.

At the beginning there wasn’t actually so much controversy. In fact, despite knowing Israel would participate. countries decided to participate too instead of withdrawing. And by that point, trouble started.

Especially when some countries selected their entry and all of a sudden, the specific participant suddenly started to criticize Israel‘s participation. But that is the artist‘s own agenda! Any other artist of the country would maybe not criticize Israel‘s participation.

Let’s bring up two different examples: Ireland and Iceland.

Ireland chose Bambie Thug and Bambie made trouble immediately after they were chosen. Their participation was used to turn it into a political agenda by Bambie. If Ireland did choose any other artist, the outcome would possibly be very different. Another participant wouldn’t have cared about politics and just participated because it‘s music they care about and not which country takes part.

Iceland even wanted a Palestine to participate! After it was announced Iceland went straight up to No. 1 in the betting odds. So you tell me this isn’t political? If he won he would have gone to Malmö with a political message. And also stirred the pot.

So why do these artists want to go there in first place? Why weren’t there louder voices in the beginning that country x did not want Israel to participate?

They were all fine with the EBU‘s decision. Maybe they weren’t happy about it but yet they participated.

It all started when somebody called out Israel, wrote an open letter against Israel‘s participation and asked other artists to join and sign. (Bambie). So why did the artist do that? It wasn’t necessary. If they wanted a statement, they would have withdrawn. But going and pressuring everybody to anti-Israel statements is a choice!