Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[Chorizo]

Austria's Hurricane:

What a delightful Eurovision classic.

 

[spinachpie]

Here's my opinion: the problems were made by countries and delegations when it was already too late.

At the beginning there wasn’t actually so much controversy. In fact, despite knowing Israel would participate. countries decided to participate too instead of withdrawing. And by that point, trouble started.

Especially when some countries selected their entry and all of a sudden, the specific participant suddenly started to criticize Israel‘s participation. But that is the artist‘s own agenda! Any other artist of the country would maybe not criticize Israel‘s participation.

Let’s bring up two different examples: Ireland and Iceland.

Ireland chose Bambie Thug and Bambie made trouble immediately after they were chosen. Their participation was used to turn it into a political agenda by Bambie. If Ireland did choose any other artist, the outcome would possibly be very different. Another participant wouldn’t have cared about politics and just participated because it‘s music they care about and not which country takes part.

Iceland even wanted a Palestine to participate! After it was announced Iceland went straight up to No. 1 in the betting odds. So you tell me this isn’t political? If he won he would have gone to Malmö with a political message. And also stirred the pot.

So why do these artists want to go there in first place? Why weren’t there louder voices in the beginning that country x did not want Israel to participate?

They were all fine with the EBU‘s decision. Maybe they weren’t happy about it but yet they participated.

It all started when somebody called out Israel, wrote an open letter against Israel‘s participation and asked other artists to join and sign. (Bambie). So why did the artist do that? It wasn’t necessary. If they wanted a statement, they would have withdrawn. But going and pressuring everybody to anti-Israel statements is a choice!

Iceland went to number one in the betting odds? When?

 

[Lumina]

When Bashar (the Palestine) was about to win the Icelandic national finale.

 

[watersoup]

Here's my opinion: the problems were made by countries and delegations when it was already too late.

And when Israel selected “October Rain” as their entry then threatened to quit when asked to change their obviously political lyrics? That is somehow evidence that Israel was just there for the music and not to make a political point?

Eden was completely happy to go along with October Rain as the entry, btw

 

[Lumina]

The thing is… Israel at least changed it as much as it took to satisfy EBU.

In contrary to other artists who constantly tried to sneak in symbols, hidden messages, accusations and their pro-Palestine anti-Israel propaganda.
They tried to fool the EBU and ruined it for everyone and made an already stressful contest more stressful for everyone else. Not Israel is the reason why this contest is a strain but all the other artists and delegations who forced the EBU / SVT to produce such a stressful show. If they didn’t attack Israel / Eden, most of the concerns wouldn’t exist.

Eden always sticked to the rules and never did anything else nor showed anything else but her song!

Germany‘s biggest accredited ESC site with a team of them sitting in the pressroom observed many of the situations live and tried to report about everything in the most neutral unbiased (typical serious German ) way. They are a very reliable source that can be trusted. And they had nothing but nice things to say about Eden! I‘m happy finally some press people are so courageous and stand up for Israel! Kudos & love to them!

Also Isaak did a short live on his way home today and he said he LOVES the Israelian song and that Eden is an insanely good vocalist!

 

[Lindon]

Because of special request I'm making a double post, sorry.

Austrian commentators live on air @ORF @FM4

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789578850021614046

 

[Slabsson79]

What a euphemistic way of expressing yourself.

 

[Franzilein]

Because of special request I'm making a double post, sorry.

Austrian commentators live on air @ORF @FM4

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789578850021614046

Relatable, was also the collective response on our watch party.

Can't wait for another round-house kick by the TV audience towards the people in the arena if Israel participates next year again.

 

[I bims]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789436866300674303

Those numbers now really make sense.

 

[Navn Navnes]

Because of special request I'm making a double post, sorry.

Austrian commentators live on air @ORF @FM4

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789578850021614046

Hope they are at least as digusted or more about certain matters i won't discuss in this thread, but hurts more than being booed.

 

[SAYAY]

Those numbers now really make sense.

That's going to be quite the phone bill at least hehe.

Bye, have a great day

 

[Slabsson79]

Oh yea, everyone knows about the terrible human rights violations that the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg commits on a daily basis. Shame on them!

I think it was hinting to the fact, that the Luxembourg singer was/is Israeli.

 

[ViVillRejv]

I can deal with it. I knew it would happen. Again, positive votes. If Russia was allowed to participate and Ukraine wasn't, you know what? Russia would receive 300+ televote points. See how this works? Would Europe be pro invasion then?

Israel got to try their propaganda with 300+ TV points. Israel was booed whenever it went on stage. That's life. And again, freedom of speech.

"Artwashing", the same way oppressive theocracies like countries from the Arab world participate in global sports such as football to make themselves appear in a positive light.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Those numbers now really make sense.

To think some want a televote only in the Grand Finale... They clearly don't see this.

 

[han-g]

To think some want a televote only in the Grand Finale... They clearly don't see this.

This person clearly doesn't know how voting in the uk works. It look to me like they used their uk and Australia cards on the rotw votes and therefore wasted around €40 as those votes were not counted. A uk simcard is needed to vote from the uk, a uk credit card is not necessary.

 

[Miloutchi]

Oh and I thought it was just another case of whataboutism. Thanks for clarifying.

I know it has nothing to do with anything, but I live for your sarcastic comments.

 

[Judas]

I don't support Israel BUT I thought Marina's behaviour at press conf was extremely immature.

I am not boycotting Israel or have any interest in any of this politic shit going on there, but I think Marina's protest was the most harmless thing one could do (if they want to protest, that is).

 

[Realest]

She broke the Worldrecord as expected.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789761262588494229

 

[Charly]

BBC News - Israel broadcaster claims it faced 'unprecedented hatred' at Eurovision - BBC News

Israel broadcaster claims it faced 'unprecedented hatred' at Eurovision

Its national broadcaster says it faced hostility simply because "we are Israelis and we were there".

www.bbc.co.uk

Man this is top notch delulu shit

 

[AlekS]

BBC News - Israel broadcaster claims it faced 'unprecedented hatred' at Eurovision - BBC News

Israel broadcaster claims it faced 'unprecedented hatred' at Eurovision

Its national broadcaster says it faced hostility simply because "we are Israelis and we were there".

www.bbc.co.uk

Man this is top notch delulu shit

"However, throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules"

Let me remind you, 15 other delegations sent complaints to the EBU. Eden's stylist was escorted out of the arena for harassing at least 4 delegations. He made disgusting comments on Instagram about other contestants and threatened them. There's a video of Israeli media jumping at the Dutch delegation in restricted area outside of the press center. KAN and fellow Channel 12 bullied 4 other contestants on TV.