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Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!
 
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I've seen the Bambie Thug, Marina Satti and Nemo thing afterwards.

Sorry if my comment came over like this. I know its not your quote. My question was rather out of curiousity. Would you look at these two videos and say the statement from Gabe is 100% correct.
Okay, thanks for clarifying :)
I would not personally judge those 2 Videos as harassment or clear proof of anything because they are isolated instances and I don't have the full picture. I don't know what happened before, after or in full. But I do think it warrants further investigation into what is going on, so I'm glad that will happen.
 

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He's the same guy that was harassing Joost yesterday, no clue if he's related to the delegation.

The EBU really needs to rethink how they let people get accreditations.
Some of them are not "real journalists" - fans covering the contest and it's a shame that a guy like that put all of them into dispute.

He should be lucky to be at the spot and instead he's creating a hostile environment for the artists Oo

He's at least bullying and harrassing artists and there's enough proof to make him lose his accreditiation (and never get one again).
 

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He's the same guy that was harassing Joost yesterday, no clue if he's related to the delegation.

What I understand from the Israeli ESC fans, the individual in question is a journalist from KAN.
He is not part of the Israeli delegation.

I hope you guys know the difference.
 
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You have to be kidding.

If you blame Israel for whatever Joost did or didn't do without knowing anything and "strengthening" your point by mentioning that Israelis got money - it's scapegoating and antisemitic - bringing back negative and false stereotypes.

You can level criticism at Israel as much as you want to - I don't hold it against anyone. I don't "try to shut down anything"- that's freedom of speech and your right to do so.
I specifically referred to fans perverting each and tiny piece of information or rumours to blame it on Eden/Israel.
I just made myself heard and wanted everyone to take a deep breath and stop blaming the Israeli delegation for whatever other artists did/didn't do when Israelis weren't even part of the incidents. That's it.

Don't twist my words around like that, please.
My reply to you was about the situation at the contest in general. Israel is the new Russia and they are proud of it and are doing it deliberately.
When did I say that "Israelis got money"? You are just making that up. I pointed out that the main sponsor is an Israeli company, nothing more, which is a legitimate observation, since you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you.

Don't twist my words around as well, please.
 

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My reply to you was about the situation at the contest in general. Israel is the new Russia and they are proud of it and are doing it deliberately.
When did I say that "Israelis got money"? You are just making that up. I pointed out that the main sponsor is an Israeli company, nothing more, which is a legitimate observation, since you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you.

Don't twist my words around as well, please.
To clarify, I made a general statement about what I saw on this forum and on social media.

You specifically quoted me, imputed shutting down legitimate criticism to me and that's why I referred back to you.
 

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To clarify, I made a general statement about what I saw on this forum and on social media.

You specifically quoted me, imputed shutting down legitimate criticism to me and that's why I referred back to you.
That's because you talked about anti-Semitism when referring to people criticizing Israel and its participation at Eurovision. There is surely some actual anti-Semitism, but one must be very careful with such statements because words like this are used too lightly in an effort to silence and discredit others. That's a concern of mine.
 

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That's because you talked about anti-Semitism when referring to people criticizing Israel and its participation at Eurovision. There is surely some actual anti-Semitism, but one must be very careful with such statements because words like this are used too lightly in an effort to silence and discredit others. That's a concern of mine.

Let's take a deep breath together, ok? - I didn't say that at all. I specifically mentioned fans blaming Israel('s delegation and/or singer) for something what happened with or around Joost - even though the EBU has made it very clear that no other delegation/country was involved.

Israel's participation has rightfully become a subject of heated debate - since October.

That's what I meant/wanted to say.

I will never call anyone antisemtic if they criticise Jewish individuals or Israel for "legitimate" reasons.
But some fans tried to find a scapegoat for Joost's supension at that time and I was shocked at how fast many fans jumped on the "Without Moroccan Oil-sponsored Eden it wouldn't have happend" train and that's why I was blatantly shocked.
I read very few questionable comments on this forum but too many nasty and hateful comments on FB/Twitter. I just came here to give my 2 cents.

I agree with you - obviously - that it should (and it is) be totally legitimate to criticise Israel without being called antisemtic.
In that specific case, though, I strongly believe it was internalised antisemitism (when fans blamed Eden for ruining the contest although it was something Joost did (or didn't do) to a Swedish camera person).

I hope we're fine now because I think that we don't really disagree (I know it's quite a heated subject of debate now).
 

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Let's take a deep breath together, ok? - I didn't say that at all. I specifically mentioned fans blaming Israel('s delegation and/or singer) for something what happened with or around Joost - even though the EBU has made it very clear that no other delegation/country was involved.

Israel's participation has rightfully become a subject of heated debate - since October.

That's what I meant/wanted to say.

I will never call anyone antisemtic if they criticise Jewish individuals or Israel for "legitimate" reasons.
But some fans tried to find a scapegoat for Joost's supension at that time and I was shocked at how fast many fans jumped on the "Without Moroccan Oil-sponsored Eden it wouldn't have happend" train and that's why I was blatantly shocked.
I read very few questionable comments on this forum but too many nasty and hateful comments on FB/Twitter. I just came here to give my 2 cents.

I agree with you - obviously - that it should (and it is) be totally legitimate to criticise Israel without being called antisemtic.
In that specific case, though, I strongly believe it was internalised antisemitism (when fans blamed Eden for ruining the contest although it was something Joost did (or didn't do) to a Swedish camera person).

I hope we're fine now because I think that we don't really disagree (I know it's quite a heated subject of debate now).
I agree that it might just have been a misunderstanding. Let's focus on other drama now. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Well I guess it should be clear by now that the participation of the Israeli delegation in this years contest is causing massive trouble and is making people, including other delegations, feel uncomfortable and even unsafe.
I have been very vocal in the past about how important it is to differentiate properly when it comes to the Hamas-Israel conflict and I stand by that. Still it is evident now that it would have been for the best if Israel withdrew.

People want this war to end, they want the suffering, the civilian casualties (on both sides) to stop. It's their right to do so. Differentiating also means not name calling everyone who criticizes the government of Israel for the way they are operating in Gaza. Yes, there are many many antisemitic sentiments around, but simply calling for peace for the people of Palestine AND Israel is not and will never be antisemitic. xshrug
 

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It's my 3rd favorite entry of the year and normally I shouldn't have any problem with Israel winning but the aggressive way they promote their entry and the way they handled the whole thing from the start give me the impression that they want a victory to use it for political purposes. They don't care for the contest itself but they want to support with a win their opinion that Europe (the silent majority some saying) is with them in the war.
At this point it would be better to avoid an Israeli victory.
 

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She was on a time square billboard yesterday in NYC.


Wishing peace and safety first and foremost for Eden. Hopefully their aren't any members in the crowd that try to invade or they will likely end up getting polaxed or drop kicked by security.

Winning the tele-vote would be amazing but the result is really secondary in the grand scheme of things. Either way the contest is taking a step back and getting downsized and I'm not just talking about limiting press accreditation.
 
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She was on a time square billboard yesterday in NYC.

Wishing peace and safety first and foremost for Eden. Hopefully their aren't any members in the crowd that try to invade or they will likely end up getting polaxed or drop kicked by security.

Winning the tele-vote would be amazing but the result is really secondary in the grand scheme of things. Either way the contest is taking a step back and getting downsized and I'm not just talking about limiting press accreditation.

Have you heard that Eden Golan's look designer filmed Marina Satti backstage? :rolleyes:
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Im proud of her. 323 Televotes like Jamala back then.
Btw.

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The bots around the social medias can chill now. Rest guys, Slimane even beated you.
 

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What I understand from the Israeli ESC fans, the individual in question is a journalist from KAN.
He is not part of the Israeli delegation.

I hope you guys know the difference.
He does still work for that same broadcaster which brings kan into disrepute if the allocations are proven
 
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