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Germany GERMANY 2024 - Isaak - Always on the Run
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Especially if the German songs are bad in this section.
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This was the main reason why I never joinred the GSGF hype train, I´m just tired of these songs that only play with a certain cliché.
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Whilst I partly agree with @I bims on how German could be perceived, I don't think the reception of "German" is that bad.
German is still one of the most taught languages in Europe (just behind English, Spanish and French), we've got a handful German-speaking countries and German poetry is highly valued across the globe. Other "harsh" sounding language also perform quite well in Eurovision, e.g. Icelandic, Finnish or even Polish - of course, you could argue that their performances were accompanied by some gimmicks or great choreography and props but NDR could do the same (if they actually put some effort into the performances). None of these language is perceived to be "romantic", either.
We also got artists singing in German which are highly popular across Europe (e.g. Rammstein).
Of course, they tick certain boxes and fulfill some stereotypes but we Germans usually downplay the value of German as a language in Europe.
Is it, though? an actual reflection of our music scene? If you take a look at our single charts, most songs by German artists are fully performed in German (a single week's Top 10 doesn't represent the German music scene - especially if most artists aren't from Germany. How does a decade-year-old song by Natasha Bedingfield represent the German music scene?).
I'm happy about Giant Rocks (a German band singing in English, btw) getting their first #1 album, though.
They aren't worse than the English ones we got, imo.
German is still one of the most taught languages in Europe (just behind English, Spanish and French), we've got a handful German-speaking countries and German poetry is highly valued across the globe. Other "harsh" sounding language also perform quite well in Eurovision, e.g. Icelandic, Finnish or even Polish - of course, you could argue that their performances were accompanied by some gimmicks or great choreography and props but NDR could do the same (if they actually put some effort into the performances). None of these language is perceived to be "romantic", either.
We also got artists singing in German which are highly popular across Europe (e.g. Rammstein).
Of course, they tick certain boxes and fulfill some stereotypes but we Germans usually downplay the value of German as a language in Europe.
Is it, though? an actual reflection of our music scene? If you take a look at our single charts, most songs by German artists are fully performed in German (a single week's Top 10 doesn't represent the German music scene - especially if most artists aren't from Germany. How does a decade-year-old song by Natasha Bedingfield represent the German music scene?).
I'm happy about Giant Rocks (a German band singing in English, btw) getting their first #1 album, though.
They aren't worse than the English ones we got, imo.
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We simply don't agree on this matter.
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We simply don't agree on this matter.
Fair enough.
Can we at least agree that "Scars" and "Forever Strong" are the worst songs in that NF.
I'm just utterly disappointed that Max finally came back and he's competing with such a dull and boring song (and will probably win anyway).
Oh gosh, I need some ESCunited support group after Friday's night.
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Absolutely. These two songs are the ones I don't want to see going to Malmö. Max - what a waste! I was excited when I heard he would be part of our NF, and then he came up with such a boredom of a song. I just can't. Does Max really believe to conquer Malmö with this song?
I may need it as well if Max wins.
#GermanySendGermanToEurovision
You know what I mean!!We will need you!
We will! Ryk is German!
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I'm just trying to already get upset about the lack of German songs in this line-up to shield away from the fact that Max is about to win on Friday (so I won't lose my shit at the end of this week).
You know.. getting all the doomed vibes and negativity out of my system so that I can pretend to not be totally appalled by the show on Friday.
Let's face it... Ryk won't be winning the televoting. He finished LAST in 2018. "Oh Boy" might be more competitive and superior to "You And I" but there's no way he's suddenly smashing the televote, imo.
Max will definitely have a good chance to win the televoting as well - he has won more the televoting of several live shows:
- SSDSGPS
- Germany 12 Points!
- The Masked Singer
- Free European Song Contest 2020
He might not be the biggest German act alive but he's a televoting MAGNET. There's no way he will not reach the Top 3 on Friday.
Since his vocal performance will probably be top-notch and international juries tend to vote for radio-friendly songs or ballads as well, they will probably place him inside their Top 5 or even Top 3 as well.
Even IF Ryk wins the jury vote on Friday, Max will probably get the higher televoting points and in case of a tie, will the televoting be the deciding factor?
Marie Reim? I don't think she will win the televoting but it's possible for her to come close.
But Voxxclub didn't win it either despite having a more competitive song and Ella Endlich finished 7 out of 10 and I honestly expect the same level of "performance/vocals" from Marie Reim... is "her last name big enough" to attract many votes?
Ryk really needs to win the jury vote, otherwise, I think that it's either Max or Isaak (as the underdog finishing #2 or #3 in both rankings xD)
You know.. getting all the doomed vibes and negativity out of my system so that I can pretend to not be totally appalled by the show on Friday.
Let's face it... Ryk won't be winning the televoting. He finished LAST in 2018. "Oh Boy" might be more competitive and superior to "You And I" but there's no way he's suddenly smashing the televote, imo.
Max will definitely have a good chance to win the televoting as well - he has won more the televoting of several live shows:
- SSDSGPS
- Germany 12 Points!
- The Masked Singer
- Free European Song Contest 2020
He might not be the biggest German act alive but he's a televoting MAGNET. There's no way he will not reach the Top 3 on Friday.
Since his vocal performance will probably be top-notch and international juries tend to vote for radio-friendly songs or ballads as well, they will probably place him inside their Top 5 or even Top 3 as well.
Even IF Ryk wins the jury vote on Friday, Max will probably get the higher televoting points and in case of a tie, will the televoting be the deciding factor?
Marie Reim? I don't think she will win the televoting but it's possible for her to come close.
But Voxxclub didn't win it either despite having a more competitive song and Ella Endlich finished 7 out of 10 and I honestly expect the same level of "performance/vocals" from Marie Reim... is "her last name big enough" to attract many votes?
Ryk really needs to win the jury vote, otherwise, I think that it's either Max or Isaak (as the underdog finishing #2 or #3 in both rankings xD)
I just don’t think Ryk is going to give you another Michael Schulte moment. I’m not saying Marie is going to give you a Lena moment, but at least it’ll be authentic to your country if you at least go with your own language!
When a song is bad, it stays bad no matter if it is in German or not. And Marie's song is bland. She should have rather send something like this:
And 90% of those who watch Eurovision and do not speak German won’t care. Native languages tend to do better as a rule
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In every contest Max had a much, much better Song. So I don't see an automatic win, especially with the current Votingsystem.
Calling "Oh Boy" inauthentic and calling "Naiv" authentic just because of the language... uhm...?
Ryk composed and wrote Oh Boy all by himself and its about his specific experiences, while Naiv is a bland plastic schlager reject that got passed around cause no one else wanted to sing it. There's nothing authentic about it and Marie can't even sing.
Authentic to ones country doesn't matter if the song is garbage and performed poorly. I take a well performed song that is authentic to the artist, cause that is actually the key to doing well, not language. Language can help but if the song sucks, it doesn't matter. Spain send spanish songs for ages and flopped all the time still.
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Ryk's song is indeed authentic whilst Marie's song is a formulaic mess. "Schlager by numbers" if you want to say.
However, it doesn't mean that the listeners won't be able to authenticate.
I guess that there are more people in Germany "sharing GPS data with someone" than gay men lamenting about their straight love interest when they were young.
However, it doesn't mean that the listeners won't be able to authenticate.
I guess that there are more people in Germany "sharing GPS data with someone" than gay men lamenting about their straight love interest when they were young.
"Oh Boy" has more streams on Spotify than "Naiv" despite being not as accessable and streamingfriendly and Marie being the more well known person who does a lot more PR currently, sooooo...Ryk's song is indeed authentic whilst Marie's song is a formulaic mess. "Schlager by numbers" if you want to say.
However, it doesn't mean that the listeners won't be able to authenticate.
I guess that there are more people in Germany "sharing GPS data with someone" than gay men lamenting about their straight love interest when they were young.
Also we germans are a nation of lamenting crybabies, so most of us can relate more to a lamenting gay than a nepo baby without talent.