Germany GERMANY 2024 - Isaak - Always on the Run

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[I bims]

That's really interesting. Especially Ikke looses with this system. So maybe Marie can have the same "fate" as well in case the Juries will rate her low. I truly hope that Ryk will make it. He (and maybe Bodine a bit) could be the only ones dragging us out of the bottom.

I tried to make a small prediction how the voting for this year could look like, based on last years voting behaviours and feedback I read online. I'm not unbiased tho, obviously lol.

Out of everyone I think Bodine is the one that I may have underestimated in this prediction the most. 8 points from the jury and even a top 3 televote finish are not impossible for her, I think. Depends on her performance.

 

[Jupiter]

I made a small list how the results of last year would look like with a similar system as this year (12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 0 point system tho)

When there's a tie usually the televote score is the deciding factor so this is what it would look like. The smaller artists would've been much more competitive against the established artists (Ikke and LotL together got more than 50% of the whole televote), with the televote favourite still having quite the advantage even if the jury tanks them.

I think Ryk has really a good chance at winning.

Thank you for sharing the list =D I do prefer Anica in 3rd (the televote really robbed her), so that is definitely an upside.

And I agree it might help Ryk while favoring Marie & Max less. It's probably better for Bodine and Leona too, depending on live performances.

 

[mauve]

I tried to make a small prediction how the voting for this year could look like, based on last years voting behaviours and feedback I read online. I'm not unbiased tho, obviously lol.

Out of everyone I think Bodine is the one that I may have underestimated in this prediction the most. 8 points from the jury and even a top 3 televote finish are not impossible for her, I think. Depends on her performance.

I can see this almost happening. But do you think that Max would be No 1 in televote? Isn't the song too boring for the audience? In this aspect I would see Max rather doing better with the Juries. And should the staging be good, I can see Bodine doing well with the Juries and the televotes as well.

 

[Mainshow]

The viewers voted for "Perfect Life" and "Sister" - Max getting that #1 isn't impossible.

That said, I think that the voting system is bad since international juries are included and I believe that they shouldn't have a say in any national final.
What's the point of coming up with a NF to find a song which is determined by the viewers? I mean, the German entry should represent the German people and not some bloggers from Wiwibloggs or former Eurovision participants who ended up being Bottom 5.

These international juries have already heavily influenced our NF by deciding the 8 artists we already got - and they miserably failed to come up with a diverse, varied and competitive line-up.

I know that the "50/50" system is what we have to face in Eurovision - which is totally fine - but I prefer the idea of a nation deciding on what song to send to asking random "professionals" from a Eurovision-pool which may pop up in several NFs across the continent all over again.

 

[Looren]

Just chose Leona and get my guys

 

[I bims]

I can see this almost happening. But do you think that Max would be No 1 in televote? Isn't the song too boring for the audience? In this aspect I would see Max rather doing better with the Juries. And should the staging be good, I can see Bodine doing well with the Juries and the televotes as well.

I'm really not sure, last year the two most known acts were the Top 2 in the televote, so I applied that pattern to my prediction.
But I agree, it's not set in stone and not that likely to repeat, at least when it comes to Max. It's just hard to say who will win the televote. Marie isn't a strong performer so I have a hard time seeing her win the televote (and the schlager hater in me just does not want to see that happen lol), but she will get a solid score still, unless she really completely flops live.

Someone in the esc-kompakt comments made another prediction (I filled in some blanks he didn't mention) and... this is not out of the realm of possible outcomes too.

I know that the "50/50" system is what we have to face in Eurovision - which is totally fine - but I prefer the idea of a nation deciding on what song to send to asking random "professionals" from a Eurovision-pool which may pop up in several NFs across the continent all over again.

In a timeline when we have 9 good competitive entries I would agree. But we've been served 50 shades of beige and no matter what the german public will not like the song, so who cares? There's no LotL here that will be liked by a majority, so what's the point. So let's have the juries, that gave us this travesty, pick their favourite and have them give us at least some points in May.

We won't get better songs if we keep placing last, we have to break that streak no matter what...

 

[Mainshow]

Oh - another thing I totally despise and absolutely hate: Why can't NDR just stick to a single format and try to establish it as our NF?
It's so confusing to deal with different names every two years - getting new voting systems every year (basically) - a different mechanism, amount of participants - it's like they put "so much time and effort" to come up with new ideas to just get rid of them immediately afterwards.

I strongly believe that our national final would have had a different "reputation" amongst viewers, artists and record labels alike if they had become some sort of tradition - We don't need something "epic" as Melodifestivalen but we could have pulled up some Dansk Melodi Grand Prix easily (imo).

 

[I bims]

Oh - another thing I totally despise and absolutely hate: Why can't NDR just stick to a single format and try to establish it as our NF?
It's so confusing to deal with different names every two years - getting new voting systems every year (basically) - a different mechanism, amount of participants - it's like they put "so much time and effort" to come up with new ideas to just get rid of them immediately afterwards.

I strongly believe that our national final would have had a different "reputation" amongst viewers, artists and record labels alike if they had become some sort of tradition - We don't need something "epic" as Melodifestivalen but we could have pulled up some Dansk Melodi Grand Prix easily (imo).

OMG YES
You just never can remember what last years show even was cause it always fucking changes, that is sooo bad marketing.

 

[Mainshow]

We won't get better songs if we keep placing last, we have to break that streak no matter what...

We basically got "Sister" after finishing #4 the year before.

We won't be getting better songs as long as NDR keeps on relying on radio or international juries who like to listen to generic pop songs in English/who think that The Voice and Pop Idol are the best TV shows ever.

Also, "Sister" was ranked #1 by the international jury in our NF as well - how many points did we get from them in ESC 2019?

We can't rely on the international juries, either.

I actually prefer sending a song which is supported by the German public - even if someone like Ikke might win in the future - We've had NF's in which 1,000,000 votes had been cast - we are no Luxembourg - let's give the audience more power - and less power to Estonian or Swedish Sarah Connors who may fall asleep attempting to watch Eurovision now and then.

 

[ESC94]

We basically got "Sister" after finishing #4 the year before.

We won't be getting better songs as long as NDR keeps on relying on radio or international juries who like to listen to generic pop songs in English/who think that The Voice and Pop Idol are the best TV shows ever.

Also, "Sister" was ranked #1 by the international jury in our NF as well - how many points did we get from them in ESC 2019?

We can't rely on the international juries, either.

I actually prefer sending a song which is supported by the German public - even if someone like Ikke might win in the future - We've had NF's in which 1,000,000 votes had been cast - we are no Luxembourg - let's give the audience more power - and less power to Estonian or Swedish Sarah Connors who may fall asleep attempting to watch Eurovision now and then.

I´m more and more convinced they picked "Siser" on purpose so they wouldn´ve have to deal with Lily or Aly in Tel Aviv.

 

[Mainshow]

It's crazy to believe that ESC-related artists who still got ties with the broadcasters or artists from their home countries or heads of delegation from other countries (who are basically just competing AGAINST GERMANY) have a say in our NF (and in other ones, too).

I think it should be forbidden, honestly - the EBU should come up with rules preventing someone like Marvin Dietmann to be a jury member in whilst being responsible for staging other countries' performances as well etc.

 

[Franzilein]

O wow, is that the same Bibiane Z who worked with Mausio in the past?

God, the world is so small And of course as soon as she works together with the NDR, she ends up with some pop number instead of an EDM banger. Aaah, I don't want anymore.

 

[nudiecrudi]

The studio version of Oh boy is really interesting. I love how it builds musically and vocally.
I haven't found any live version.
I'm sure Germany could get an excellent result with this song if he will be able to sing it well live.
Has a lot of potentials

 

[mauve]

The studio version of Oh boy is really interesting. I love how it builds musically and vocally.
I haven't found any live version.
I'm sure Germany could get an excellent result with this song if he will be able to sing it well live.
Has a lot of potentials

Many of us would be over the moon if Ryk represented us. BUT: The German televoters (are the obstacle). Ryk said a live performance video will be released BEFORE the NF. And should he win, there will be an official video as well. Ryk sings amazing live that is not the problem, rather how his staging will look like. I keep all my fingers and toes crossed for Febr 16th. But I am also prepared for a defeat.

 

[Datura]

the 4 wildcard songs are not really exciting at all for me, lucas song is the one i probably like the most but it's not anything i'd vote for by any means.
ryk remains my clear favourite in this selection and still my favourite song of any national final this year so far.

 

[ayzelto]

I hadn't listened to the German songs since now, so here's my ranking:

1. Leona - Undream you (8/10)
2. Bodine Monet - Tears like rain (8/10)
3. Marie Reim - Raiv (6/10)
4. Ryk - Oh Boy (5/10)
5. ISAAK - Always on the run (5/10)
6. Max Mutzke - Forever strong (5/10)
7. Ninetynine - Love on a budget (4/10)
8. GALANT - Katze (3/10)

A national final with lights and shadows. There are two songs that I liked but the others are just meh for me. Apparently the big favourite is Ryk, isn't he? I don't get the appeal tbh, so I hope he does not get selected and either Leona or Bodine (I think the latter has more chances) are selected. However, I think Bodine could do better in Eurovision.

 

[Neely]

Nothing earth shattering but the four contenders in 'Ich Will Zum ESC!' are all enjoyable enough compared to the Tik Tok selection from last year. Bodine or Luca would be fine additions to the final and might yet eclipse my preference for Bodine or Ryk to go to Malmö.

 

[mauve]

A short live version from Bodine:

 

[Paco Roca]

Oh - another thing I totally despise and absolutely hate: Why can't NDR just stick to a single format and try to establish it as our NF?
It's so confusing to deal with different names every two years - getting new voting systems every year (basically) - a different mechanism, amount of participants - it's like they put "so much time and effort" to come up with new ideas to just get rid of them immediately afterwards.

I strongly believe that our national final would have had a different "reputation" amongst viewers, artists and record labels alike if they had become some sort of tradition - We don't need something "epic" as Melodifestivalen but we could have pulled up some Dansk Melodi Grand Prix easily (imo).

The Melodifestivalen may be "epic" but many, caught up in the excess, forget that it rests on solid traditional foundations. The Benidorm Fest was able to resurrect, with all its lights and shadows, because in the past there was a national festival with a history of decades behind it. Germany, if I'm not mistaken, has never had a traditional national festival. It is difficult for NDR to understand which is the right path to follow. NDR suddenly wants to find the magic recipe, the panacea for all ills to regain ground on his European opponents. If German fans understood this they would be gentler towards their broadcaster or at least feel a sense of pity. NDR can get everything wrong but you can't say that he doesn't put passion and commitment into what he does. The best choice, in my opinion, is to accept your limits, choose a precise format and have patience. Furthermore, no to international jurors and voting. The chosen song must respect the tastes of the German people and not that of foreign fans or follow the concept of "finding the right song for the ESC" (which no one ever understood what it was). When people like a song it almost never fails.

I was hard on Ryk but if the Germans genuinely like him then he must represent you and I think he will do well. If you choose Ryk as a lifesaver you might get burned. You have to be convinced of it emotionally and not rationally because ballads will enter the ESC that will take away points (everyone will have their favorite ballad). At the moment, do you feel like saying that Ryk would have an easy time against Slimane and St.Pedro?

 

[Jupiter]

Bodine sounds great live. Her voice is beautiful, she seems to feel secure on stage, and I find her very sweet and charismatic.

But tbh I'm a little reluctant to send a song and artist with basically no ties to Germany? Bodine is dutch, and the song writing team includes no Germans either as far as I could see. I know this isn't unusual in ESC, and I'm normally indifferent to it. But with our situation right now, with Germany being last/second-to-last so often, and the question being "what does Germany need to do to not end up last?" - I don't want the answer to be "send something completely unrelated to Germany". I'm probably bring dramatic, but that feels like admiting defeat xD

Again, I really like Bodine though. I wouldn't mind hearing more from her and she's not generally a bad pick for ESC.